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@RonH can give you a code to save 10 or 20%, and it helps him get some discounts, too, as he equips his Jeep for overlanding. PM him and he'll hook you up. https://mymedic.us/collections/first-aid-kits/products/myfak-firstaidkit?variant=18324322947

Whoa! That’s a lot of money for a FAK pouch, I assumed it was already loaded when I saw it was $100. You can get decent tear off EMT/FAK pouches for $20-30 all day on amazon. Mine has been through a ton of torture and it’s still in good shape, can’t inagine why I’d want to spend that much on one!
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Did you review the contents? Either way, I want to be able to either save myself or others. I'm tired of carrying around the old Johnson and Johnson...
 

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Do all JLs come w Molle seat backs? Or only rubicon? Apologies if covered elsewhere...I looked. I ordered a sport S. Seems like a feature reserved for rubi.
 

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Did you review the contents? Either way, I want to be able to either save myself or others. I'm tired of carrying around the old Johnson and Johnson...
Ahh, no - I read the description, which doesn't mention contents, then poked around the website and saw other kits for $300+ and assumed this was empty - as the description is all about the pouch only. Just took another look and saw the little contents link, which makes this seem much more reasonable!

I'd *strongly* recommend you add a good tourniquet to that kit - CAT on their site is a good example. Nearly everything in that kit (CPR shield excluded) is intended for fist aid of non life-threatening injuries. Good to have, but for an extra few bucks you may actually be able to safe a life with a good tourniquet.

In fact, the tourniquet is the one thing I wound't venture into scary country without - everything else is for treating varying degrees of discomfort...
 

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Concur on CAT tourniquets. I have them squirreled away everywhere...
 

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Ahh, no - I read the description, which doesn't mention contents, then poked around the website and saw other kits for $300+ and assumed this was empty - as the description is all about the pouch only. Just took another look and saw the little contents link, which makes this seem much more reasonable!

I'd *strongly* recommend you add a good tourniquet to that kit - CAT on their site is a good example. Nearly everything in that kit (CPR shield excluded) is intended for fist aid of non life-threatening injuries. Good to have, but for an extra few bucks you may actually be able to safe a life with a good tourniquet.

In fact, the tourniquet is the one thing I wound't venture into scary country without - everything else is for treating varying degrees of discomfort...
Isn't a tourniquet also the easiest thing to make out of stuff laying around almost anywhere?
 

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Not to turn this into a wilderness medical class (new forum topic? :clap:), but while that is true, homemade tourniquets also have a high failure rate (sticks break, not tight enough, etc) as well as tertiary injury rate (triangle bandage/shirt/whatever gets really narrow and ends up making really bad injuries, opposed to a nice and wide strap).

Perhaps most importantly, when you or your buddy loses a limb and you have 90-120 seconds to stop the bleeding, grabbing something that is premade that you have pre-positioned (and marked in bright colors for those who don't know what they are looking for!) for less than 10 bucks is way better than hoping you can find a stick in the desert...
 

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Isn't a tourniquet also the easiest thing to make out of stuff laying around almost anywhere?
You can make one, but at the point you need to apply a tourniquet you don't want to waste time *or* get it wrong. CATs are proven to save life and limb under the worst conditions, and they're only $20-$30.

Get it wrong you say? Well, for starters you probably can't pull your pants belt tight enough to stop arterial flow unless you're in the WWE - you need a windlass to twist it, and some belts don't twist. Material matters too - if you tear up a cotton t-shirt for one, it may stretch too much. Grab a stick off the ground to use as the windlass and what do you do if it snaps, or comes untucked from whatever you used to secure it while you're driving your buddy to the hospital?

Also worth considering: can you scrounge parts for, assemble, and apply a field-expedient tourniquet to yourself?

At the end of the day, if you're going to be anywhere that someone might get a hole in them, get a limb crushed, or get sliced open, have a good tourniquet that you know how to use handy. It's cheap insurance.
 

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Not to turn this into a wilderness medical class (new forum topic? :clap:), but while that is true, homemade tourniquets also have a high failure rate (sticks break, not tight enough, etc) as well as tertiary injury rate (triangle bandage/shirt/whatever gets really narrow and ends up making really bad injuries, opposed to a nice and wide strap).

Perhaps most importantly, when you or your buddy loses a limb and you have 90-120 seconds to stop the bleeding, grabbing something that is premade that you have pre-positioned (and marked in bright colors for those who don't know what they are looking for!) for less than 10 bucks is way better than hoping you can find a stick in the desert...
Dang, took a break when writing my reply to put the guacamole away and you came along and said it all before me. Fortunately, repetition never killed anyone.
 

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Dang, took a break when writing my reply to put the guacamole away and you came along and said it all before me. Fortunately, repetition never killed anyone.
Especially in this subject! ;)

I used to be an Army medic and we spend a lot of time on tourniquets because repetition and proper placement, etc is really essential. I recommend getting an actual MOLLE tourniquet pouch (they make some with shears in them too) and mounting it to the OUTSIDE of any bag, etc so you aren't scrounging through various pouches trying to find them. The shears or some kind of strap cutter are essential to getting clothing/bags/straps out of the way so that the tourniquet is actually on the skin or as close as possible.
 

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At some point Bartact should be offering their seat covers for the JL and they’ll have a much larger Molle surface area, for those who didn’t buy a Rubicon (and the seat covers are pretty fantastic regardless).
 
 







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