Level 3 Charging

[fittdogg]

I can't seem to find any info on this, but can the fast Level 3 chargers be used to charge our 4XEs? Or is the plug/DC option not compatible?

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[BXFXJeep]

Level 2 only - J-1772 plug

edit - and Level one - a regular grounded outlet, the 4xe is shipped with a level one charger.

 

[N8213]

The level 3 plug l saw looks like a j1772, just has two additional larger wires below the J1772 so it will not fit.

 

[instantfob]

Pretty much all plug-in hybrids can't take DC Combo chargers. 4xe takes the maximum of 32amp at the rate 7.2kwh

Level 3 charging are for BEVs only. It bypasses the onboard charger to charge/communicate directly with the battery going from 100-350A ...

 

[diesel_jeep]

Pretty much all plug-in hybrids can't take DC Combo chargers. 4xe takes the maximum of 32amp at the rate 7.2kwh

Level 3 charging are for BEVs only. It bypasses the onboard charger to charge/communicate directly with the battery going from 100-350A ...

I think the mitsubishi outlander phev can take l3 chademo and a few other PHEV's

 

[instantfob]

I think the mitsubishi outlander phev can take l3 chademo and a few other PHEV's

That is reasonable adaptation as public level 2 charging is little bit pointless and waste of time unless someone wants to park overnight.

Another Mitsubishi flop as Chademo is on the way out. Even prior champion of Chademo, Nissan, is switching to DC Combo

 

[sentience]

The main issue with Level 3 charging is upfront cost and peak electrical rates.

For a commercial Level 3 charger, you’re budgeting at least $40k for the equipment, maybe another $10-20k or more for electrical upgrades (high load, may need new transformers, utility service, etc), and another $20-40k for labor. Not to mention the sudden jump in electrical usage, which would affect peak pricing for commercial operators.

Outside of large commercial users (eg buses) that can justify the cost of the charger with multiple large commercial vehicles, there isn’t a business case for it.

From a manufacturing perspective, it doesn’t make sense to provide that feature in your vehicles, when in addition to increasing the price per vehicle, there isn’t the infrastructure to support it. (Some exceptions for Tesla because of FU meme money, and Electrify America because of VW Dieselgate money)

 

[diesel_jeep]

The main issue with Level 3 charging is upfront cost and peak electrical rates.

For a commercial Level 3 charger, you’re budgeting at least $40k for the equipment, maybe another $10-20k or more for electrical upgrades (high load, may need new transformers, utility service, etc), and another $20-40k for labor. Not to mention the sudden jump in electrical usage, which would affect peak pricing for commercial operators.

Outside of large commercial users (eg buses) that can justify the cost of the charger with multiple large commercial vehicles, there isn’t a business case for it.

From a manufacturing perspective, it doesn’t make sense to provide that feature in your vehicles, when in addition to increasing the price per vehicle, there isn’t the infrastructure to support it. (Some exceptions for Tesla because of FU meme money, and Electrify America because of VW Dieselgate money)

Tesla superchargers are significantly cheaper than other l3 alternatives- mainly because tesla uses the on-board charger (which is in hundreds of thousands of cars) externally, as stacked array, for its superchargers (AC-DC rectification externally at ~400v). https://electrek.co/2022/04/15/tesla-cost-deploy-superchargers-revealed-one-fifth-competition/

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