JLUR - right rear tire offset?

[Rusty Teeth]

Get what your saying, not sure how that makes tire stick out futher then. The the panhard then must tilt the wheel inwards towards axle or outwards.

Just trying to wrap my head around that.
Will read it again.
Will the adjustable panhard correct the op issue?

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[Turfman]

Have you tried changing your tires from one side to the other or front to back to make sure it’s not a bad rim! Offset too much!

 

[Pressurized]

Get what your saying, not sure how that makes tire stick out futher then. The the panhard then must tilt the wheel inwards towards axle or outwards.

Just trying to wrap my head around that.
Will read it again.
Will the adjustable panhard correct the op issue?

The pan hard bar has joints at both ends. So while the axle shifts, it does stay flat.

 

[Rusty Teeth]

Just got back from dealership, looked at many stock jL and JLR.
No diff in tire offset, just a used one that had a 4 inch lift on it the right rear stuck out alot 3/4 inch
It also was tilted out from top, looked
Wonky. Mechanic showed it to me as he had noticed it on that one also.
So do your wheels have any tilt, not sure proper word is caster camber will google it. Here is negative camber. You may positive

 

[Pressurized]

Solid axle vehicles, like Jeeps, don't have adjustable camber in the front or rear. What comes from the factory is what you get. There are some "things" that you can do, like offset ball joints in the front, but it's best to avoid those types of corrections.

 

[Turfman]

Just noticed that if you look at tire it is not straight from front to back.

 

[WXman]

For the price of the Mopar lift, it should have come with adjustable track bars front and rear, upper and lower control arms, a case of beer, the whole nine yards. I can't believe they're getting $1,500 for 2" coils. Holy smoke.

But yes, the track bar will fix this issue and you have to remember that there is also a pinion angle change in the rear when you lift and don't center the axle, so by using the adjustable track bar you can make your driveshaft joints happy again too and extend their life.

 

[MacBigButt]

The wheels are perpendicular to the axle and the axle stays parallel to the ground, so all of that geometry stays in line appropriately. While the axle does travel in an arc, there is a pivot point at the axle that allows it to stay parallel with the road surface.

Cheers!

Just adding a couple points to @Pressurized.

Visually it looks like the axle has shifted, but in reality it is the body and frame that is moving because the tires are stuck to the ground. As a side-note, the body is shifting constantly when driving. The reason the front and back track bars are opposite each other is so that the mass of the frame and body are twisting around the center of gravity rather than rotating side to side which would be horrible.

Also the track bar rotates but the axle moves straight up and down as does the frame and body. I think some people are getting confused on that last point.

Out of the factory, the ride height and track bar length are "balanced" so everything appears inline but as soon as you start moving and hitting bumps things start shifting around. It's not much unless you really compress/extend the suspension.

If you don't believe me get a bunch of your fattest friends and measure the shift before and after loading them into the Jeep. You need to compress the suspension at least 2" before you will notice any change so you'll need at least four or five 300 pounders. Or, I guess you lift the jeep up by the frame rails, but piling in your fat friends is more fun. If you live near Victoria BC I can be one

Oh, and please take a picture if you do this super-sized, clown car experiment.

 

[xeon]

Have you tried changing your tires from one side to the other or front to back to make sure it’s not a bad rim! Offset too much!

An update. I am using the MOPAR bead lock rims and have tried moving them around side to side front to back...all have the same issue when placed on the passenger rear side. I just got back from the dealer and was told that in fact the axle has shifted by 1" to the passenger side in the back and a smaller amount to the drivers side on the front. They re-inspected to make sure they installed the lift correctly and they found there was nothing wrong with the installation. So now they are escalating it to MOPAR.

I asked about just installing track bars and I was warned it would void my warranty. They also hinted that more than likely that would be the solution but MOPAR would have to agree to it to keep the warranty intact. Hmmm.

 

[xeon]

Ok.. been a few days and Jeep Cares seems more like Jeep Doesn't Care. Still no word from them. Even their website is broken. https://www.jeep.com/webselfservice/jeep/EmailPage.html.

 

[Torero]

HUM. From now on I am really paying attention to the avatars they say a lot. LOL

 

[xeon]

Had a terrible conversation with Jeep Cares. In a nut shell....they are putting the entire problem back on the dealer. They stated and I quote, "We only have information on factory installed parts". Soooooo....this means they know nothing about the parts that MOPAR sells. Some how I find that very odd. What is more interesting is they called the dealer while I was speaking with them and the dealer was trying to explain to Jeep Cares that the Mopar lift kit as "designed" will cause the body and chassis to be aligned. We all know the solution - adjustable trackbar but JEEP Cares now states its and installation problem. Well....considering MOPAR provided the installation instructions perhaps they can rewrite the instructions or give us a new part? Grr.

 

[Pressurized]

Had a terrible conversation with Jeep Cares. In a nut shell....they are putting the entire problem back on the dealer. They stated and I quote, "We only have information on factory installed parts". Soooooo....this means they know nothing about the parts that MOPAR sells. Some how I find that very odd. What is more interesting is they called the dealer while I was speaking with them and the dealer was trying to explain to Jeep Cares that the Mopar lift kit as "designed" will cause the body and chassis to be aligned. We all know the solution - adjustable trackbar but JEEP Cares now states its and installation problem. Well....considering MOPAR provided the installation instructions perhaps they can rewrite the instructions or give us a new part? Grr.

Order a rear adjustable track bar and be done with it. Axle shift is normal when lifting a Jeep. The dealer isn't going to fix it. Many of us are OCD enough to want it fixed. The reality is that it doesn't affect the drive at all.

http://www.rockkrawler.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RK06692

 

[Turfman]

Order a rear adjustable track bar and be done with it. Axle shift is normal when lifting a Jeep. The dealer isn't going to fix it. Many of us are OCD enough to want it fixed. The reality is that it doesn't affect the drive at all.

http://www.rockkrawler.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=RK06692

This is actually a false statement as with the offset the Jeep is now crabwalking to an extent and it will affect your gas mileage. it can even be seen from behind to an extent as I have observed many semi's doing this down the road due to crooked rear axels and even a few 4x4's. It may even cause some premature wear on the tires as the vehicle will want to straighten itself out just due to the wind drag.

 

[Pressurized]

This is actually a false statement as with the offset the Jeep is now crabwalking to an extent and it will affect your gas mileage. it can even be seen from behind to an extent as I have observed many semi's doing this down the road due to crooked rear axels and even a few 4x4's. It may even cause some premature wear on the tires as the vehicle will want to straighten itself out just due to the wind drag.

Minuscule and nearly to the point of immeasurability.... you can’t feel it therefore, it isn’t affecting the drive.

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