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Sorry, but I disagree. A sway bar or Anti anti-roll bar has nothing to do with anti-dive, braking, or squatting. The sway bar controls a vehicle leaning in a corner. The problem with changing just the front or rear sway bar will change the balance of the vehicle. Putting a stiffer sway bar in the rear and making no changes to the front will add oversteer, something you never want in a Jeep. The problem with oversteering, especially to a high center of gravity Jeep, is you won't know it's a problem until it is. In an extreme situation you will find you are looking in the rearview mirror to see where you are going or, most likely in a Jeep, you will be upside down.

The best thing you can do when towing with your Jeep is the add airbags to the rear springs to keep the Jeep level with the added weight to the rear with the trailer tongue weight.

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I have no issue with you disagreeing with me that’s fine you’re entitled to your own opinion. However, a sway bar does impact, dive, braking and squatting. This would not be the case. If the road or your surface was 100% flat then at that point in time the swaybar will do very little, but roads are not flat they’re all curved to begin with and in the course of driving you don’t drive it a consistent speed. as I stated job, one for that swaybar is to keep all the wiggles planted on terra firma. Roads are not smooth full of potholes they’re not flat, and all those inconsistencies with the road have to be absorbed and reacted to by the swaybar, so yes, it does affect breaking squat and linear input along with managing lateral input.

As for oversteer, if you put in a rear sway bar, I have never encountered that since I installed my first swaybar in 1965 on my Corvette all my Corvettes, all my super duty trunks have all been improved by the use of heavy duty sway bars. In fact, depending upon how you order, your Corvette, or your truck will determine the size of that sway bar that goes in.

airbags: Airbags are very misunderstood. I rarely recommend them unless you have a lateral imbalance. Not too long ago guy came into my shop with his F350 pulling his horse trailer. he asked how we could level that out pulling it. I recommended a set of airbags adjustable so you can level out the lateral imbalance.. this is where airbag shine. As for using airbags when you’re towing and you’re trying to reduce or eliminate squat, airbags are not the answer. WHY? Airbags are placed on the rear attached to the axle into the frame. When you add air to the airbag what happens is you lift the frame when you lift the frame of your automobile you start shifting weight to the front axle. It’s for that reason that I don’t recommend airbags just to remove squat. If you had squat with your towing, there’s several ways to mitigate. You can put on stronger coil springs. If you have a leaf spring you can add a leaf. I have run airbags at least three or four times over the years, and then in every case it was to solve a lateral imbalance. If you’re squatting significantly, then you probably have too much tongue weight on your vehicle and you need to adjust your load in your trailer or whatever you’re towing. Raising the frame to shift weight forward to your front axle is not the solution.

If you will look at my post number six you’ll see where I have an F350 swaybar compared to an F450 swaybar F450 swaybar is a heavy duty version and I put that on my F350 because I didn’t order the right package to get it I’ve never had oversteer, never I drive high-performance cars and trucks. My current F450 as a sway bar it’s almost 2 inches in diameter and the front axle which is rated at 6000 pounds as plus one springs and has an oversize sway bar. Any vehicle that tows or carries heavy loads or was built as a performance. Vehicle will have oversize sway bars and generally heavy duty springs.
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On the topic of towing, anyone have any ideas on why I don't seem to have a transmission temp gauge in my off road pages?
 

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In my opinion, if you want to stiffen up the rear sway bar do both front and rear. Jeep put a lot of work into determining the sway bar sizes to keep the Jeep stable in most situations.
I would agree with the stock jeep, but those with lifts or larger tires, the rear sway bar is a great upgrade for limiting sway.
 

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Installed the Hellwig rear sway in my 22' Wrangler Sahara Unlimited today. I have the AEV 2 1/2 dualsport RT lift kit, w/ 35" Nitto grapplers installed. Hellwig = Hellya! Without a doubt , if you have a lift or larger tires this is without a doubt, a great mod for improving sway on highways and cornering. I took it through the paces today and wow. Very impressed! Install was straight forward, and took about 1 1/2 hours, to include removal of stock, install the Hellwig and torque. The stock is hollow metal, weighing in at 5.lbs, compared to the heavy duty 16lb Hellwig.
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