EV vs ICE

[Wbino]

I drive a brick Gladiator that gets 14mpg for leisure. Prior to that was a GT500. I'm not on a crusade. I voted for Trump twice. I wish EVs weren't a political issue because they're awesome.

I can't even describe the hate I get for owning a Tesla. People scream " fuk u lib!!! " at stoplights. Hilarious, clueless people.

Weird ... I scream F Elon at lights with Teslas. ?

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[2nd 392]

Agree. Btw super jealous of your 392. Not in my current hand of cards with 3 young kids. A 'cheap' $55k Mojave was my limit.....lmao. Miss my Shelby but also love my Jeep!

C’mon- only another $18.5K in 21, if you Really Really Wanted One ? Old muscle car guy/Jeeper had to choose- Hellcat or Jeep— I chose well, again, after losing minimum req. 100 Octane gas and therefore my 69 GTX I built a 63 Corv-illys/Will-ette Jeep. After 47 years

 

[Dusty Dude]

This is FUD from Facebook clickbait nonstories that oil trolls post. Is the US colder than scandinavia which are majority EV in new sales? They're doing fine with them. Range reduced about 20%. Granted. Sky falling? Maybe Norwegians, Fins, and Swedes don't need 400 miles per day like Americans.....

If you buy a car in Norway, Finland, or Sweden, the tax on that car is the price of the car. The governments waived the taxes on the Tesla’s. So your choice is to buy a $30K car and $30K in taxes, or buy a $60K Tesla. Tesla’s also don’t have to pay tolls. No oil trolls there…

I understand that the oil propaganda trolls spun wild tails of ' all BEVs stranded ' in Chicago when it was more like 12, and not because they were BEVs.

That story was run because half of my colleagues at the TV station where I worked couldn’t get to work since their cars wouldn’t charge. My colleagues are HUGE greenies and believe me when I tell you, it was a LOT more than 12 cars. One of our satellite trucks had to go pick up a bunch of people, so they decided to do a quick story on it while they were there.

 

[2nd 392]

If you buy a car in Norway, Finland, or Sweden, the tax on that car is the price of the car. The governments waived the taxes on the Tesla’s. So your choice is to buy a $30K car and $30K in taxes, or buy a $60K Tesla. Tesla’s also don’t have to pay tolls. No oil trolls there…




That story was run because half of my colleagues at the TV station where I worked couldn’t get to work since their cars wouldn’t charge. My colleagues are HUGE greenies and believe me when I tell you, it was a LOT more than 12 cars. One of our satellite trucks had to go pick up a bunch of people, so they decided to do a quick story on it while they were there.

 

[BXFXJeep]

If you buy a car in Norway, Finland, or Sweden, the tax on that car is the price of the car. The governments waived the taxes on the Tesla’s. So your choice is to buy a $30K car and $30K in taxes, or buy a $60K Tesla. Tesla’s also don’t have to pay tolls. No oil trolls there…




That story was run because half of my colleagues at the TV station where I worked couldn’t get to work since their cars wouldn’t charge. My colleagues are HUGE greenies and believe me when I tell you, it was a LOT more than 12 cars. One of our satellite trucks had to go pick up a bunch of people, so they decided to do a quick story on it while they were there.

Why exactly couldn't they charge, they let their batteries rundown to critical before going to a charger?

Also if someone really have to depend on a super charger to charge up to get to work in the morning, an EV is definitely not a vehicle for you.

But greenies tend to put virtue signaling before basic logic.

Cold snap is coming, charge up and don't let your battery run down to critical, plug in at home.

To put it simply these greenies would be the same people stalled at the side of the road with no gas in a snow storm, so either or they would have been stranded regardless, but with gas, someone might be able to save them with a Jerry can.

 

[THAW]

Why exactly couldn't they charge,...?

Cold snap is coming, charge up and don't let your battery run down to critical, plug in at home.

During the last cold snap in my town ~200,000 households lost power. My neighborhood lost power for several days. And even lost it a second time after it was first restored.

 

[BXFXJeep]

During the last cold snap in my town ~200,000 households lost power. My neighborhood lost power for several days. And even lost it a second time after it was first restored.

So EV charging is the least of the problem

 

[THAW]

So EV charging is the least of the problem

True.

For one neighbor with a bi-directional charger, it was actually the solution.

And in other anecdotal news, several local media stories featured quotations of citizens to the effect of "I've been thinking about buying an EV, I'm glad I waited".

As for me, I used my 38.5 gallon capacity, CO2 spewing Jeep to drive to work and the gas station.

 

[BXFXJeep]

True.

For one neighbor with a bi-directional charger, it was actually the solution.

And in other anecdotal news, there were several local media stories featuring quotations of citizens to the effect of "I've been thinking about buying an EV, I'm glad I waited".

As for me, I used my 38.5 gallon capacity, CO2 spewing Jeep to drive to work.

I think we also need to look at vehicle ownership in the context of how many people actually know how to change a spare tire, and there in lies the problem, people are buying ? they know nothing about, and when they are left stranded it's the vehicle not them at fault.

EVs are like VCRs with the flashing 12:00

 

[Jeep to EVC]

Correct again sir- with the range and charging time Toyota has announced for the coming high performance ones ~ 29/30 true market forces will prevail proving the “Blind Hatred” for EV’s I have been accused of was NOT for the EV’s themselves…. Also proving shoving them up our a$$ prematurely creating the accused “Blind Hatred” was completely unnecessary….
I am keeping an eye on the new LC 1958 for a GC replacement that would cost virtually nothing for daily errands with home solar. ?

I think you might have stuck on a vain here Sir - agree, Big EV (whatever the f that actually is) and more specifically Big EV consumers or intended consumers are failing on their messaging.

Especially given the profile of the average Jeep owner - here and elsewhere.

BUT, and that's a very big 'BUT', have you considered that Jeep owners are NOT really anybody's target market EXCEPT for another Jeep AND aftermarkets to bolt (more) crap on their existing Jeep.

Meaning we are an island, can't really understand or need anybody's opinion of our beloved Jeeps, and to some extent, what we stuff under the hood.

Pretty damn astute 2nd 392!

 

[Jeep to EVC]

The 1958 is a plug-in hybrid?? I see that it's got an i4/electric system pushing 465TQ, but don't see any mention of being plug-in (just wondering cause you mentioned solar).

Anyway, that's a great-looking 4x4 at a decent price with some respectable power. Very clean design. Just needs some beefy tires pushed out another inch to the wheel wells (and maybe the TRD hybrid/turbo v6 powertrain as an option).

Imo pure EVs make absolutely zero sense in the colder climates and vast expanses of rural America, but hybrids kinda minimize a lot of those concerns.

Really - two words to softly and respectfully call your comment hypocritical - block heaters.

If you need to plug in your damn ICE engine to keep it from freezing from within overnight, can't you give the burgeoning EV market just a bit of room to come up with a solution* ?

*(there already is one but not worth mentioning here at all)

 

[Jeep to EVC]

Nice selective trimming of my statement, which describes my own personal concerns/reservations (imo, as stated) and was the totality of A) cold weather decreasing range, combined with B) in rural areas where the nearest small city is often 30 to 60 minutes away (and unlikely to have many charging stations, if any at all).

Sure, some people can certainly make it work if they want to and have the supporting infrastructure wherever they live, but I'm personally not interested in having range anxiety or having to plan my routes around the closest towns/cities (nor do I wish to "fill up" for any longer than 5 minutes when travelling).

At this time, ICE and hybrid just make a lot more sense to me for my particular climate and region, but enjoy your crusade or whatever ?

NOW see, look look, a comment, a reply actually, that was nice, reasoned, albeit personal, that you don't see EV's suiting your situation.

YOU even said why and didn't bring up anything other then how YOU feel - BRAVO!

Why is that a threat to the EV movement - it ISN'T. Not even a little bit.

I have a brand new (7mo old) Chevy Bolt to add to all my Jeeps and my monster 2011 Toyota Land Cruiser AND I HAD / HAVE range anxiety. Anybody with an EV is fibbing if they tell you otherwise, it's real.

You can overcome it with a bit of normal planning and really isn't a problem 'in town' but yes, it's real.

I'm probably down around 20% of range anxiety (100% being a complete fear of running out of juice while trying to drive a breaching pregnant women to a hospital, 0% being you're insane and your only fear in life is your S.O. and the IRS).

 

[Jeep to EVC]

The only real way to reduce the carbon footprint is to keep your vehicle on average for at least 6-7 years. Nobody keeps their car that long, except for a few. I have my original 2009 Dodge Ram 1500. Their are a ton of people I know that get new vehicles every 2-3 years and as we know the biggest carbon footprint for any vehicle is when it's being produced.

Unfortunately, at least for our neighbors and significant others, we, the Jeep community, keep our Jeeps till we kill them or we're killed and it's someone else's problem.

I'm guilty, sorry environment, I'll walk extra hard this week to try to make up for it....

 

[Jeep to EVC]

I think the major problem with EVs is the pending ban on the sale of gas vehicles, coupled with the government paying people a lot of money to buy EVs, what is even worse is the Big 3 cannot even make an affordable EV, and the way things are looking, they may never be able to make affordable EVs.

Then there is all the money wasted on failed EV infrastructure, they are all now going NACS, because no one except Elon Musk can build a reliable working charger ?

I think your right on most of that but not true on the affordable or reliable part, Chevy Bolt, $24,000. Love it, zero problems (so far).

 

[Jeep to EVC]

I'm with ya.

Our Tesla is my wifes. She was driving a 2014 Acura MDX. 3 kids...3 schools....3+ sports..... $500+ a month in gasoline. The Tesla and home charging is free now that our savings paid for the panels. When socal gas goes up 2$ for whatever effing reason...we are free.

RIGHT, I know I'm off topic here but WTF with gas rates in SoCal!!! $6++/gal one day and $4 & change the next -forget it here, it's sooo stupid.

Sorry, really pisses me off.

Now back to our normally scheduled rants...

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