3.6 not going away?

[The Last Cowboy]

I don’t think a full electric Wrangler as we know it is feasible. I would expect a completely different vehicle that has Wrangler styling cues. It would prob be unibody, 4 wheel independent suspension and have a high use of aluminum and plastic in order to offset battery weight.

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[Deleted member 59498]

That time when your brother got his first electric jeep.

 

[Tncdrew]

Looking forward to the 3.6L etorque (mild hybrid) in my yet to be delivered Willys.
The similar mild hybrid setup in my wife's X5 X40i with its 3.0L B58 engine is incredible. When run in the standard start/stop mode the engine starts are virtually imperceptible.
The shifting smoothness that that setup provides in its 8-spd, (also a ZF, albeit newer version) is impressive.

 

[OSCAR II]

That time when your brother got his first electric jeep.

I remember these on the road. A local drug store had 2 of them.

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[dragoneggs]

That may or may not be true, but if so, why would Stellantis build a new global engine that wouldn't fit in at least a notable portion of their current line-up? You'd think with everything eventually migrating to EV, any redesigns of their existing vehicles would warrant less space in the engine bay not more. Just seems counter-intuitive to the way things are going these days.

I'd absolutely love to have the new inline 6 in a 2-door Wrangler, but if nothing else, I really wish I could just get the 3.6L Pentastar with an automatic without it being an eTorque (can still have ESS, but I'd prefer it without that too).

Why you not liking the eTorque? Honest question. I went that route over the ESS but can't say it was an informed decision.

 

[AFD]

Why you not liking the eTorque? Honest question. I went that route over the ESS but can't say it was an informed decision.

Check my two posts on page #3 of this thread (I'd copy/paste them, but they're both rather long-winded and likely over-opinionated, lol). Tldr, there's nothing at all wrong with that particular setup, just that it doesn't provide any increase in fuel economy or performance (other than for a brief second from a stop), but once the battery (and warranty) craps out, it's just an added expense like a normal hybrid, but without the same benefits.

 

[dragoneggs]

Check my two posts on page #3 of this thread (I'd copy/paste them, but they're both rather long-winded and likely over-opinionated, lol). Tldr, there's nothing at all wrong with that particular setup, just that it doesn't provide any increase in fuel economy or performance (other than for a brief second from a stop), but once the battery (and warranty) craps out, it's just an added expense like a normal hybrid, but without the same benefits.

Thx... read your posts. Hard to argue and I wonder whether I remember your heeds of warning, 8 years from now. I use a Tazer to disable the start/stop so hopefully that will lead to longevity?

One reason I bought the 3.6L auto was hoping it would last me 10 to 20 and be my last gasser.

 

[AFD]

Thx... read your posts. Hard to argue and I wonder whether I remember your heeds of warning, 8 years from now. I use a Tazer to disable the start/stop so hopefully that will lead to longevity?

One reason I bought the 3.6L auto was hoping it would last me 10 to 20 and be my last gasser.

I hear ya. Usually try to keep my vehicles over a decade if I can. Not really sure if the eTorque's electric start/stop works the same way as the non-eTorque 3.6L. The regular 3.6 w/ESS has two conventional batteries under the hood, while the eTorque has an additional large 48V liquid-cooled battery underneath the vehicle like an EV, which is why it is classed as a MHEV (mild-hybrid electric vehicle).

I'm sure the replacement expense of parts and labor after 8-years won't be cheap, but honestly with today's EV batteries being so unique and custom tailored to each vehicle, my biggest concern is whether or not an exact replacement 48V battery will still be in production a decade or more from now. I mean, lithium batteries deplete and degrade just from sitting unused in a warehouse, so then what? Afaik, the eTorque system is not able to operate without one, so how do you even sell the vehicle once it craps out post-warranty? Now if it added an extra 100HP/TQ at any time with fuel economy of 35MPG, then I probably wouldn't care as much, but unfortunately, it doesn't.

And not trying to fear-monger or spread FUD, or anything. Just my honest concerns as a consumer.

 

[Deleted member 74991]

I can't follow your logic here. I'm a Diesel mechanic with about 20 years of experience. I have never seen a bad turbo destroy belts and pulleys. Usually it's just a blown oil seal, which can be caught quickly and rebuild the existing turbo. If it's delayed and ignored, then it will be the turbo housing itself. And if things really go sideways, it will be the turbo and the intercooler, with a super rare chance that metal made it past the intercooler and damaged internal components in the engine like valve seats and rings.
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[dragoneggs]

I hear ya. Usually try to keep my vehicles over a decade if I can. Not really sure if the eTorque's electric start/stop works the same way as the non-eTorque 3.6L. The regular 3.6 w/ESS has two conventional batteries under the hood, while the eTorque has an additional large 48V liquid-cooled battery underneath the vehicle like an EV, which is why it is classed as a MHEV (mild-hybrid electric vehicle).

I'm sure the replacement expense of parts and labor after 8-years won't be cheap, but honestly with today's EV batteries being so unique and custom tailored to each vehicle, my biggest concern is whether or not an exact replacement 48V battery will still be in production a decade or more from now. I mean, lithium batteries deplete and degrade just from sitting unused in a warehouse, so then what? Afaik, the eTorque system is not able to operate without one, so how do you even sell the vehicle once it craps out post-warranty? Now if it added an extra 100HP/TQ at any time with fuel economy of 35MPG, then I probably wouldn't care as much, but unfortunately, it doesn't.

And not trying to fear-monger or spread FUD, or anything. Just my honest concerns as a consumer.

On the other hand... if it is truly a Lithium battery such as a LiFePo4 type, they have incredible number of full discharge/recharge cycles on an order of magnitude than a Lead Acid.

Assuming these recharge without fully discharging, and are of similar chemistry, I wouldn't be surprised if they are functional 10 to 15 years. My comment comes from research and ownership of a couple of 12v LiFePO4 batteries powering my RV solar system... maybe a totally different animal than what's under the eTorque hood?

 

[2nd 392]

I hear ya. Usually try to keep my vehicles over a decade if I can. Not really sure if the eTorque's electric start/stop works the same way as the non-eTorque 3.6L. The regular 3.6 w/ESS has two conventional batteries under the hood, while the eTorque has an additional large 48V liquid-cooled battery underneath the vehicle like an EV, which is why it is classed as a MHEV (mild-hybrid electric vehicle).

I'm sure the replacement expense of parts and labor after 8-years won't be cheap, but honestly with today's EV batteries being so unique and custom tailored to each vehicle, my biggest concern is whether or not an exact replacement 48V battery will still be in production a decade or more from now. I mean, lithium batteries deplete and degrade just from sitting unused in a warehouse, so then what? Afaik, the eTorque system is not able to operate without one, so how do you even sell the vehicle once it craps out post-warranty? Now if it added an extra 100HP/TQ at any time with fuel economy of 35MPG, then I probably wouldn't care as much, but unfortunately, it doesn't.

And not trying to fear-monger or spread FUD, or anything. Just my honest concerns as a consumer.

Your good for the decade, unless it has changed parts must be supplied by law for so many years (10 as I recall) after that too bad. My 95 Dodge PU came close to being junk due to an “obsolete” ignition control module. Mine couldn’t be repaired, ~ 2 month search to find one in an out of state junkyard. Next obsolete part?

 

[MattT69]

Diversity is a key strength at Jeep having two gas powered mills despite the near identical capabilities (2.0 and 3.6). Each has a buyer that won't buy the other engine....so a sale could be lost. So really they compliment one another. What I think you will see is the niche 3.0L Ecodiesel go away when the Hurricane gets up to speed. Locally, all the remaining 2021 Jeep JL's unsold are 3.0L Ecodiesel's and 6 speed Sahara's. My 2 cent's.

Agreed. After only having the NA v6 penastar choice for years , I was very happy to have another engine option f9r those of us that live and play at high elevations. Most people like the v6 for city living but once you get into the mountains that NA engine loses power at every 1000 feet of gain. It was bad. So I welcome any engine that maintains consistent power in all types of environments.

Also being an OG 2 door owner and buyer we don't get lots of the other engine option. Not sure if the i6 will be available in the non wagon versions ? but for now I'm enjoying the 20+ mpgs and loving the fast lane life of my 2L i4 2-door 2-seater on 37s ??

 

[AFD]

Your good for the decade, unless it has changed parts must be supplied by law for so many years (10 as I recall) after that too bad. My 95 Dodge PU came close to being junk due to an “obsolete” ignition control module. Mine couldn’t be repaired, ~ 2 month search to find one in an out of state junkyard. Next obsolete part?

It's 10-years in California, but only 8-year/100k-miles by federal law.

And you maybe missed the part where I said I like to keep vehicles over a decade (I'm almost at 13 with my current car). And I do understand that they can't always keep making every single part forever, but finding a used lithium battery in a junkyard many years from now will probably be inoperable too (from depletion/degradation).

And sure, I'm a frugal cheap-ass that likes to make the most of my purchases and eats all the food on my plate, but it just seems so incredibly wasteful to junk an otherwise usable vehicle because an entirely optional battery system inevitably shits the bed. Imo, a modern vehicle, whether it's $30k or $60k+ shouldn't be considered a disposable appliance like today's cell phones.

On the other hand... if it is truly a Lithium battery such as a LiFePo4 type, they have incredible number of full discharge/recharge cycles on an order of magnitude than a Lead Acid.

I honestly don't know the exact chemistry they're using. Just know I have a few drawers full of phones, cameras, laptops and other gadgets collected over the past few decades that all have dead li-poly and li-ion batteries.

 

[2nd 392]

It's 10-years in California, but only 8-year/100k-miles by federal law.

And you maybe missed the part where I said I like to keep vehicles over a decade (I'm almost at 13 with my current car). And I do understand that they can't always keep making every single part forever, but finding a used lithium battery in a junkyard many years from now will probably be inoperable too (from depletion/degradation).

And sure, I'm a frugal cheap-ass that likes to make the most of my purchases and eats all the food on my plate, but it just seems so incredibly wasteful to junk an otherwise usable vehicle because an entirely optional battery system inevitably shits the bed. Imo, a modern vehicle, whether it's $30k or $60k+ shouldn't be considered a disposable appliance like today's cell phones.

I didn’t miss it, why I said you’re good for a decade. I’m like you, bought the 95 new and still have it. Gave my 05-210K mi 4R to my grandson and got my 21 Wrangler, Dad’s 50 3A I passed down, it is still in the family. But to have the PU almost junk due to an obsolete computer module is worrisome! Thanks for the actual numbers I couldn’t remember. BTW- CJ3A parts are easier to get than V10 Dodge parts. Edit—one exception, my 89 Bronco, 9 mpg meh! Traded in for the 95, 6 years is short for me.

 

[OSCAR II]

I dont think it was designed for fuel economy but for green house gases. I dont know how much it saves but someone has it figured out. Around here its a pretty steep fine for leaving your car running while you go on a store.

Whats funny is when I first started fooling with engines lawn mowers mini bikes then to cars, if you couldnt get it started someone would always chime in with "it takes more gas to get it started then it does to run". They acted like it took 3/4 of the tank to start it.
And yes I understand carburetors, chokes, fuel injection and engine management... but now we are doing it.

It sounds like everything is run through the 48v battery, there is only a 48v generator. There is a step down module to run the 12v systems and charge the battery.

I had a couple coworkers that had antifreeze leaks on the battery cooling system. I know they kept bringing them back for service but I dont know how they made out.

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