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I can now,, without a doubt, state that the steering issues in this thread are absolutely not "a Jeep Thing". I had a 2018 Sahara JLU that I owned for 7 days, and it had awful, scary bad, loose steering, like many people are reporting here. Unfortunately, after just a week of owning it, a tree decided to fall on it and split it almost in two.
I was debating whether to get another one, based on how horrible the handling was, but I needed a vehicle, so I decided to chance it. A few days ago, I received my second Sahara JLU, and the vehicle handling / steering is like night and day compared to the first one. The first one was terrible: steering play, drifting, lousy cornering, etc. This new one is very tight and responsive. No drifting, very little play. Basically, it goes where I want it to go when I turn the wheel, without me having to constantly correct for over / under steering.
So, for those that are getting the brush off by Jeep, you are clearly getting screwed. There seems to be a very real quality control / design issue with the 2018 Jeeps. Hopefully, if enough people complain, they will get this fixed for all 2018 JL's, and not leave people hanging!

Good luck to those that are still trying to get this problem fixed. It is a real issue, not a Jeep thing, so don't give up!
I remember your Jeep...Mojito as I recall. Thanks for this very important input! Light at the end of this tunnel.
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UPDATE: I was on my way to the Jeep Invasion in Pigeon Forge this afternoon and the service rep called and asked if I could bring it in as the Technical Advisor from FCA will be at the dealer in the AM. I got my son to take it, but I wanted to be there as no one from the dealer has been in it with me. I’ll update when I get back.
Ran into another 2 door JL this afternoon. He had just rolled over 5000 miles on the way. I asked about his steering. No issues he said. Then I described mine. And he says. “You know I noticed mine getting squirrelly on the way down here. Up until now I hadn’t been running anywhere but around town, etc. “
Has anyone on here with steering issues talked with someone says theirs is fine AND then asked them to let you take it for a ride??
 

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I can now,, without a doubt, state that the steering issues in this thread are absolutely not "a Jeep Thing". I had a 2018 Sahara JLU that I owned for 7 days, and it had awful, scary bad, loose steering, like many people are reporting here. Unfortunately, after just a week of owning it, a tree decided to fall on it and split it almost in two.
I was debating whether to get another one, based on how horrible the handling was, but I needed a vehicle, so I decided to chance it. A few days ago, I received my second Sahara JLU, and the vehicle handling / steering is like night and day compared to the first one. The first one was terrible: steering play, drifting, lousy cornering, etc. This new one is very tight and responsive. No drifting, very little play. Basically, it goes where I want it to go when I turn the wheel, without me having to constantly correct for over / under steering.
So, for those that are getting the brush off by Jeep, you are clearly getting screwed. There seems to be a very real quality control / design issue with the 2018 Jeeps. Hopefully, if enough people complain, they will get this fixed for all 2018 JL's, and not leave people hanging!

Good luck to those that are still trying to get this problem fixed. It is a real issue, not a Jeep thing, so don't give up!
That much play in the third video would have to be attributed to the linkage. Most likely the slop in the steering box. You could also observe the pitman arm while turning the wheel.
 
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I took mine down last week.

They checked and everything was tight and there were no physical issues that they could detect.

They did not apply the TSB because it is not listed as applying to mine due to its date of manufacture. They test drove it and the jeep on their lot and said they both drove the same. (The service manager admitted that neither drove as well as any of the JKs he has driven.) I asked about the steering box adjustment and he said that it is not recommended by Jeep so that isn't an option he is willing to explore unless Jeep says otherwise.

They were aware of the issues because they follow the forums but I'm the first to bring mine in to them with this complaint.

The final recommendation from them was to contact them in 30 days and they would see if there were any new updates on the situation.

(I have PM'd JeepCares.)
 

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I took mine down last week.

They checked and everything was tight and there were no physical issues that they could detect.

They did not apply the TSB because it is not listed as applying to mine due to its date of manufacture. They test drove it and the jeep on their lot and said they both drove the same. (The service manager admitted that neither drove as well as any of the JKs he has driven.) I asked about the steering box adjustment and he said that it is not recommended by Jeep so that isn't an option he is willing to explore unless Jeep says otherwise.

They were aware of the issues because they follow the forums but I'm the first to bring mine in to them with this complaint.

The final recommendation from them was to contact them in 30 days and they would see if there were any new updates on the situation.

(I have PM'd JeepCares.)
I test drove a 2018 JKU the other day to compare. I found the exact same results that you mentioned. The $32K JKU drives way better than a $47K JLU. That's great to hear that your dealership agrees and doesn't say "it is a Jeep thing" like the majority of dealers are saying. We need more dealerships like yours. I bet if JL owners test drove a 2018 JKU and compared the steering, they all would be in the "wait a minute, why does my JL drive like crap compared to a JK, I had no idea" camp and would report it as well, driving up the priority for FCA to fix this problem.
 

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Regional Jeep rep drove my Jeep today and said it is normal and drives as designed. He did not strike me as a seasoned Wrangler guy and had only driven one other 2 door base Sport, but said both drove the same.

Now it seems to me if I showed you a 35 inch YARDstick and you "test drove" another 35 inch yardstick, you would say they are the same. However, they are not a yard (36 inches), but 35 inches! Also most manufacturers have a 36 inch one that is thee STANDARD that all vehicles should be measured against. I have now had 3 Jeep people drive it and 2 say it's normal and a third, who was arguably, the most knowledgeable, said there is a problem here. Unfortunately the guy that agrees with me is a dealer salesman, not Mike Manley. Not sure what my next move is. Pretty disgusted and disappointed especially after reading clymber above.

I do have a chainsaw and some big trees on my property......nah, that seems a bit extreme. Help.
 

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Here is another source of steering complaint descriptions:

http://www.carproblemzoo.com/jeep/wrangler/steering-problems.php

From the first page alone...

Steering Problems of Jeep Wrangler - part 1

Jeep Wrangler owners have reported 1,229 problems related to steering (under the steering category). The most recently reported issues are listed below. Also please check out the statistics and reliability analysis of Jeep Wrangler based on all problems reported for the Wrangler.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 1

Failure Date: 08/16/2018
Loose steering and drift while driving. Unable to maintain a straight line without constant steering correction. Very noticeable at freeway speeds as the vehicle will want to drive left or right immediately after you stop correcting steering. Started at 19 miles total on the vehicle. As soon as I purchased it and got on the freeway it felt like driving on ice. Flat out dangerous to drive, right from the factory.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 2

Failure Date: 08/12/2018
New Jeep and steering seems to wander while have play in the steering wheel. Can feel very sketchy at times.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 3

Failure Date: 08/11/2018
Merging on to highway, steering stiffened then loosened. Steering wheel had to be at 45-90 degree angle to maintain straight track. At home, I noticed the track bar mount had separated from the frame. The weld on the outboard side is on mount instead of the seam between the mount and frame. The front and rear welds on the mount are cracked. Only intact weld is the inboard weld.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 4

Failure Date: 08/08/2018
The steering on a brand new Jeep Wrangler jl rubicon is very loose with a dead spot at the top. It is extremely challenging to maintain a lane when driving, especially at highway speed. Under hard braking the vehicle will pull one way or the other because it feels like nothing is keeping the front wheels straight, correcting it is scary as the vehicle sways significantly.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 5

Failure Date: 08/07/2018
The vehicle experiences loose steering and wandering while driving.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 6

Failure Date: 08/07/2018

Owning Jeep Wranglers for years, I am accustomed to loose steering. However, the one I just purchased and have less 1000 miles on, has a steering issue that requires constant correction, especially at speeds in excess of 55 mph and expecially around curves, is excessive and unsafe. It is much more noticeable that previous models and extremely unsafe. There is a bulletin, released by Jeep acknowledging the problem, but apparently mine doesn't make the dates (mine was made a month after the bulletin expired). It has been to a dealership for recalibration and/or reprogramming (as the tech bulletin states should be done) but was told nothing was wrong and it is within specs. Other owners of this model are having the same issue and nothing is being done about it. I have driven different friend's Jeeps, same year and model, and most have this issue. Only one that I have driven did not have it. Fca (fiat Chrysler) need to address this issue as soon as possible.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 7

Failure Date: 08/04/2018
Steering is excessively erratic / wandering / loose especially at highway speeds.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 8

Failure Date: 08/04/2018
The car doesn�t track straight without continual adjustments with the steering wheel. It will drift a little right, then I nudge the steering wheel to the left and it will drift left and have to correct to the right again.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 9

Failure Date: 08/02/2018
The Jeep wanders left to right, higher speeds are worse. I have been pulled over twice in the 9 days I have owned this Jeep for erratic driving.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 10

Failure Date: 08/01/2018
Vehicle will not track straight. Requires constant minor correction or it drifts out of lane. It�s like a dead spot in the middle position of the steering box. Per the dealer, there is no fix and this is consistent for all new jl models. The 2018 Wrangler jk models do not have the issue. Bought brand new a few weeks ago. Dealer confirmed by driving other jl models; same issue.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 11

Failure Date: 08/01/2018
Steering has a large dead spot. Vehicle wanders all over the road requiring constant correction. It is really bad in cross winds. The problem appears to be with the steering box. Moving the steering wheel back and forth, I can see that the input shaft is turning, but the sector shaft is not. The gear backlash adjustment is right on the marks from the factory.

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Steering problem of the 2018 Jeep Wrangler 12

Failure Date: 08/01/2018
As you drive, the vehicle has a tendency to drift left and right, requiring constant correction. Lowering the inflation of the tires seemed to help, but the issue still remains.

More at: http://www.carproblemzoo.com/jeep/wrangler/steering-problems.php
 

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Regional Jeep rep drove my Jeep today and said it is normal and drives as designed. He did not strike me as a seasoned Wrangler guy and had only driven one other 2 door base Sport, but said both drove the same.

Now it seems to me if I showed you a 35 inch YARDstick and you "test drove" another 35 inch yardstick, you would say they are the same. However, they are not a yard (36 inches), but 35 inches! Also most manufacturers have a 36 inch one that is thee STANDARD that all vehicles should be measured against. I have now had 3 Jeep people drive it and 2 say it's normal and a third, who was arguably, the most knowledgeable, said there is a problem here. Unfortunately the guy that agrees with me is a dealer salesman, not Mike Manley. Not sure what my next move is. Pretty disgusted and disappointed especially after reading clymber above.

I do have a chainsaw and some big trees on my property......nah, that seems a bit extreme. Help.
Maybe if we all simultaneously file lemon-law cases, that will get their attention to fix it - https://www.dmv.org/automotive-law/lemon-law.php

Also, submit a complaint at https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2018/JEEP/WRANGLER/SUV/4WD%2520Later%2520Release#complaints
 

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Hard to believe this is still going on.

What an arrogant company.

Best of luck to you all, for whatever that’s worth. May your wranglers get the tighter-than-something-that-would-be-tight steering they deserve one day. And hopefully no JL owners lose their life over this.
 

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Update on my struggle...

Took it into the dealer for the third time this week. Called my corporate contact to call the dealer directly and tell them to take me on a test drive this time (last time they took it without me and denied there was a problem). My wife flew point this time because I had to work, good thing too because she doesn't take crap from no one. The service manager had it on the highway and started moving the steering wheel back and forth (too far, outside the dead spot area) and said he didn't see a problem. My wife told him he was lying and that he was noticing a problem. That caught him off guard, obviously, but the fact that he was moving the steering wheel too far back and forth says he either really didn't notice the problem or knew there was a problem and was intentionally over-steering to cover it up. Either way it turned out good. When exiting the highway he said he did notice a problem in a turn. Bottom line is she held firm, demanded a loaner while they held onto our Jeep to work with corporate to find a solution, and now we're waiting to hear back. We told them they should just get a new gear box but after what I've heard on this group that probably won't fix it. This is my report...
 

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Update on my struggle...

Took it into the dealer for the third time this week. Called my corporate contact to call the dealer directly and tell them to take me on a test drive this time (last time they took it without me and denied there was a problem). My wife flew point this time because I had to work, good thing too because she doesn't take crap from no one. The service manager had it on the highway and started moving the steering wheel back and forth (too far, outside the dead spot area) and said he didn't see a problem. My wife told him he was lying and that he was noticing a problem. That caught him off guard, obviously, but the fact that he was moving the steering wheel too far back and forth says he either really didn't notice the problem or knew there was a problem and was intentionally over-steering to cover it up. Either way it turned out good. When exiting the highway he said he did notice a problem in a turn. Bottom line is she held firm, demanded a loaner while they held onto our Jeep to work with corporate to find a solution, and now we're waiting to hear back. We told them they should just get a new gear box but after what I've heard on this group that probably won't fix it. This is my report...
They replaced my steering box, same problem. I called Rough Country about a stabilizer. After I explained the symptoms, they said a stabilizer would just mask the problem and that it is probably a caster alignment issue. They suggested I call one of their local dealers / 4x4 shops listed on their website - https://www.roughcountry.com/dealer-locator/. After speaking with one of the local 4x4 shops, they said it does sound like a caster issue and that dealerships will just confirm or adjust caster into the "green" based on factory tolerances. What needs to happen, is they need to adjust specifically within the wide spectrum of the spec (green is a wide range) and laser it into a specific amount of caster (add more positive castor for the symptom I described) and not just stop at "it is in spec, have a nice day". If you search YouTube for caster alignment, you will see some videos that explains caster and how it affects steering. They said if the vehicle won't return to center and it keeps going in the last direction, "add positive caster". I plan on bringing it to the 4x4 shop, but it won't be until late September when they have an opening. Argh. I'm not sure if this another dead end or not, but I thought I would share the info. FYI: I don't have the dead spot people are reporting. Mine drifts left and right and requires a ton of constant adjustments to keep it in lane.
 
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I watched the third video by @RDT300 showing a large amount of play when parked. So I tried it on my JL. My JL's wheels turn at the slightest movement of the wheel when parked. There is zero play.
So there seems to be a real difference between vehicles. Mine steers satisfactorily at all speeds. So there has to be a fix
Would you be able to posy a video?

I tried the same on mine even though my steering isn’t too bad. I have to move the wheel about a 1/4 inch before I can see the front wheels move.
 

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68250506AC is the part # I posted back in May/June. Has it changed?

It’s possible FCA is using more than one supplier to make the gearbox.

I used to be able to view all the parts diagrams,part #s and pricing on the mopar website but now all it shows is accessories for the JL, no parts. Did Mopar remove the JL parts from public viewing?
They just replaced my steering box yesterday. The part number is 68250506-AD. Same problem. The dealer's tech confirmed it still has the same steering problem, so I don't want to hear "its a Jeep thing" again from the peanut gallery. No dead spot in the wheel (prior steering box didn't have a dead spot either). Still requires constant steering wheel input to keep it in lane both fast and slow speeds. Also, keeps turning into the last direction you went into and requires you to turn the steering wheel back to center, won't automatically go straight when you let go of the wheel on a flat road / parking lot, like a negative caster issue. They also checked ball join nuts, control arm torque, alignment (toe-in, camber, caster, etc.), TSB update, etc. Must drive with two hands at all times, looks like drunk driving, get honked at a lot because it looks I'm about to enter into the lane next to me. As someone said in another post, they got pulled twice by the cops because it looked like they were driving drunk. I know if a patrol car gets behind me, I will be pulled over as well. I have a print out of the dealer's service document in the glove compartment that shows the steering problem documented to show the officer. I just hope I don't get into a wreck because of this steering problem.
 
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Would you be able to posy a video?

I tried the same on mine even though my steering isn’t too bad. I have to move the wheel about a 1/4 inch before I can see the front wheels move.
I tried, it's really hard to capture. Mine moves immediately, though it's a slight movement. I'll compare to my other vehicles.
 

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Just did this and attached the service doc from my visit to the dealer.

I commented on this in another thread too about folks who've had theirs fixed. Folks have said that you don't want 'twitchy' steering while wheeling and I can agree with that. What you really want is consistent steering. I can go from my 3/4-ton truck to my Ford Flex(family truckster) without issue. Not even an issue after spending days wheeling and driving my deuce and a half as a commuter. My wife told me this morning I was going to make her sick swaying back and forth in the Flex because I've become acclimated to having to use lots of input to make small corrections in the JL.
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