New price tag for 2026 4xE?? **NO POLITICS**

[Dkretden]

Will they even make a 4xe in 2026 at this point?

I would be surprised if they did…..

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[BXFXJeep]

Personally, I expect that the true market (i.e., without subsidies) really wants a ~4 kWh PHEV with the new 300hp Hurricane 4. That’d get you to ~35 mph and fill-ups like every 2 weeks, regenerative braking, preheating in the winter, torquey start-stop, low vehicle weight, etc. ZF already built the tranny for it, and all the parts are on the shelf in Toledo. Basically an eTorque 2.0.

a Wrangler that will get 35 mpg, even Toyota couldn't pull this off, this would be besting the 4Runner by 10 mpg

I'm guessing the 35 mpg is mpg.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Economics aside, I don’t think the 4XE has a future in its current state. There are 4 active recalls on 21-25 models. They are on a nationwide stop-sale. The GC 4XE has the same issues. The powertrain is just not reliable and it’s causing huge problems. I am currently in the middle of a lemon law case on mine because it spends more time at the dealership than at my house.

I leased my ‘24 4XE in April of ‘24 with an agreed upon value of $60K. The residual at the end of the 3 year lease is $40K. The current KBB value estimate is $29K… It has depreciated more than 50% in 18 months. Not good.

The $40K residual is really $32,500, with tracks with $29k KBB.

The $40K has that $7,500 subsidy embedded into it, that's how they get the lease payments so insanely low. Also people were getting these vehicles for significantly cheaper with the massive manufacturer incentives, and stacking discounts etc then the $7,500.

So out the door was usually at least 25% off the MSRP when it was all said and done, the massive discounts on the 4xe was pissing a lot of people off here.

 

[LongTimeJeepGuy]

I agree except that the $29k price point right now is only halfway through the lease. We’re 18 months and 18k miles into a 36 month 36k mile lease. Im guessing it loses even more value by the time the lease ends…

 

[Ol’ Timey Manual SWB Guy]

I'm guessing the 35… is mpg.

Fixed. TY.

I think 35 mpg is 100% doable. I had a very similar powertrain that hit 35 mpg a decade ago, and the tech is much improved. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the (VW) Scout REX/REV hits that number, once they get all the kinks out.

 

[Old Dogger]

It's not only Stellantis 4xe's, but the demand for electric, or hybrids is just not here, in the US.

 

[BXFXJeep]

The rumour was the 2026 4xe was going to have an improved ZF transmission, which would increase the range from 21 miles to 31 miles, and also crank up the all electric speed, and HP/TQ using the same battery.

But since the battery is a dud, they seem to have put an end to it.

 

[mixdup]

I'd be shocked if they produced a 4xe this model year. It's always obviously been a fleet MPG play that allows them to build 392s, and Chargers, and Ram trucks with ridiculously low mileage. Now that emissions laws are no longer really being enforced and regulations that are subject to change are being changed, they don't need a compliance model to bring their overall averages down

They don't sell nearly as many, or any, of the massive V8s in Europe, so they can get away without it there, too. Especially with two new full EVs on the market, in Europe they're as likely to sell a full EV as they are a hybrid

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back in 2027 or when the Wrangler gets a full refresh, but it would be smart for them to take a breather, get the backlog of recalls fixed, learn all the lessons they need to from the current generation, and then reset when the Wrangler overall resets

The pendulum is swinging pretty wildly politically, but I do think that while EVs overall are going to slow down in the US, hybrids will continue to be popular as they are on the market longer

 

[johneracer]

The rumour was the 2026 4xe was going to have an improved ZF transmission, which would increase the range from 21 miles to 31 miles, and also crank up the all electric speed, and HP/TQ using the same battery.

But since the battery is a dud, they seem to have put an end to it.

Hope its not CVT!!!!! Those things are junk.

 

[johneracer]

I'd be shocked if they produced a 4xe this model year. It's always obviously been a fleet MPG play that allows them to build 392s, and Chargers, and Ram trucks with ridiculously low mileage. Now that emissions laws are no longer really being enforced and regulations that are subject to change are being changed, they don't need a compliance model to bring their overall averages down

They don't sell nearly as many, or any, of the massive V8s in Europe, so they can get away without it there, too. Especially with two new full EVs on the market, in Europe they're as likely to sell a full EV as they are a hybrid

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back in 2027 or when the Wrangler gets a full refresh, but it would be smart for them to take a breather, get the backlog of recalls fixed, learn all the lessons they need to from the current generation, and then reset when the Wrangler overall resets

The pendulum is swinging pretty wildly politically, but I do think that while EVs overall are going to slow down in the US, hybrids will continue to be popular as they are on the market longer

Unless price of gas goes up. I loved my ram 1500 when gas was $3 in Cali, but once we hit over $5 and every fill up was over $100, I got an EV. Yes the math alone on gas savings doesn't work, but it does make the shelling out $70K for EV easier to digest. I can fill up EV for free at work and although ram was a good truck, I just didn't feel like driving it. It was always out of gas! EV is always full and I drive it while not giving it a second thought. I really like the EV and think lot more people would enjoy them but the whole thing became political unnecessarily. "Real man drive diesel trucks...." and other nonsense.

 

[Triggerfish]

Hard sell IMO. So many enthusiastic hybrid buyers got in on the 4Xe, only to get burned with horrid reliability and drastic depreciation. I was in early on the 4xe when it first came out, and at that time gas was shooting up in price and we NEVER had to use gas... my wife's work was 10 miles one way, so she could make it to work and back without ever having to use gas. We loved it so much that we even thought of buying a second one.

Then all the problems and our nightmare began. A long year of problems, and a lemon law 4xe for us. I will have to admit, I was excited to see the upgrades to the new 4Xe, but I just can't see myself ever buying one again.. once bitten, twice shy.

This isn't a bashing of the 4Xe, just an explanation of real world circumstances that have created a HUGE group of people that feel the way I do, and I (along with these others) were the absolute target market for this car.

 

[BXFXJeep]

I'd be shocked if they produced a 4xe this model year. It's always obviously been a fleet MPG play that allows them to build 392s, and Chargers, and Ram trucks with ridiculously low mileage. Now that emissions laws are no longer really being enforced and regulations that are subject to change are being changed, they don't need a compliance model to bring their overall averages down

They don't sell nearly as many, or any, of the massive V8s in Europe, so they can get away without it there, too. Especially with two new full EVs on the market, in Europe they're as likely to sell a full EV as they are a hybrid

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back in 2027 or when the Wrangler gets a full refresh, but it would be smart for them to take a breather, get the backlog of recalls fixed, learn all the lessons they need to from the current generation, and then reset when the Wrangler overall resets

The pendulum is swinging pretty wildly politically, but I do think that while EVs overall are going to slow down in the US, hybrids will continue to be popular as they are on the market longer

Stellantis have to buy very expensive carbon credits to offset their European European emissions, PHEVs are popular without the mandates, however not at Stellantis price point, why would anyone buy high cost EV junk from Stellantis, when you can get better value, and actually premium quality elsewhere.

Stellantis cannot afford to pause on US EVs because this emission reprieve will be short lived, everyone knows it.

The play is build for Europe now, and maybe get some lucrative US sales in the mix.

Stellantis competition in the EU are still building PHEVs for the American market, then there is Toyota and Honda with theirs.

Stellantis and the other big 3 problem is trying to push for top dollar peddling subpar products, especially Stellantis.

There is an American market for PHEVs and EVs, but not at scale, it's also a premium product, not for the average person.

I'd be shocked if they produced a 4xe this model year. It's always obviously been a fleet MPG play that allows them to build 392s, and Chargers, and Ram trucks with ridiculously low mileage. Now that emissions laws are no longer really being enforced and regulations that are subject to change are being changed, they don't need a compliance model to bring their overall averages down

They don't sell nearly as many, or any, of the massive V8s in Europe, so they can get away without it there, too. Especially with two new full EVs on the market, in Europe they're as likely to sell a full EV as they are a hybrid

I wouldn't be surprised if it comes back in 2027 or when the Wrangler gets a full refresh, but it would be smart for them to take a breather, get the backlog of recalls fixed, learn all the lessons they need to from the current generation, and then reset when the Wrangler overall resets

The pendulum is swinging pretty wildly politically, but I do think that while EVs overall are going to slow down in the US, hybrids will continue to be popular as they are on the market longer

Carbon credits are global, and Stellantis need them to offset their European planet killing sales, and they need a lot of it, rather than buy from Tesla and Rivian they are better off peddling their junk to the US market with easy credit.

Stellantis problem is they use parts in their 4xe, just like they use parts across the board.

Buy a $70K Wrangler to cruise the mall, when you get better value from BMW, Merc, Volvo etc for a similar price?

PHEVs have a space, but not that unnatural 300,000+ units they sold because subsidies paved the way for cheap payments, people were buying 4xe not knowing what they were buying because they were cheap.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Hope its not CVT!!!!! Those things are junk.

It was pretty much the same ZF Hybrid transmission, but with better tech to make it more efficient and powerful.

https://moparinsiders.com/2026-jeep-wrangler-and-gladiator-4xe-models-will-get-this/

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Unless price of gas goes up. I loved my ram 1500 when gas was $3 in Cali, but once we hit over $5 and every fill up was over $100, I got an EV. Yes the math alone on gas savings doesn't work, but it does make the shelling out $70K for EV easier to digest. I can fill up EV for free at work and although ram was a good truck, I just didn't feel like driving it. It was always out of gas! EV is always full and I drive it while not giving it a second thought. I really like the EV and think lot more people would enjoy them but the whole thing became political unnecessarily. "Real man drive diesel trucks...." and other nonsense.

I do think there's a place for EVs in the world. Mostly for people who have short driving distances or don't drive a ton.

For instance I really like the idea of EV's, especially ones like the future Jeep Recon, but I can't have a vehicle that gets under 400 miles per charge, and I'm not about to spend $70,000 for that. If they can't make moderately priced EVs, that get good range, I just don't ever see myself owning one. I don't live in the metroplex and we drive way too much to make a 45-minute "fuel up" make sense.

That being said I do like the idea of EVs, just if they were to revolutionize the 4xE, it would make sense. The under 30 miles fully electric, and the absolute abysmal numbers in hybrid mode make it completely unreasonable at the price that they are charging, especially when compared to non-plugging hybrids that almost double their mileage numbers.

Lest I remind people, the 4xE total sales for the world, are still less than the RAV4 hybrid numbers just for the USA. That should tell the people over at Stellantis something. Namely that a plug-in hybrid isn't the way to go. Got to waste time plugging in your vehicle just to get less miles than a non plug-in hybrid gets.

I do hope they bring back the 4xE, I hope they bring it back at a better price tag, and with better technology than what they've been producing.

 

[GinaC]

The 4xe is also not for people who want to keep them in under house or attached garages.

Unless, of course, you're feeling lucky. (And I'm not.)

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