Elephant in the room

[mixdup]

Jeep/Stellantis is not the only EV manufacturer to have issues and growing pains with the transition to electric.

And to that point, EVs are not the only vehicles that have a fire risk or a lot of recalls. Gas cars burn to the ground every day

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[cansberry]

Jeep/Stellantis is not the only EV manufacturer to have issues and growing pains with the transition to electric.

And to that point, EVs are not the only vehicles that have a fire risk or a lot of recalls. Gas cars burn to the ground every day

They are the only brand to not provide an appropriate warning system and customer care program for this headache and to repeatedly bungle the fix. VW and Ford also use these batteries, and when the issues were discovered, those companies collaborated on software to detect a possible thermal event. Jeep screwed up the first fix, now the second one, and I have a feeling they'll punt the third. All while offering no reassurance that they're actually doing anything different or looking out for their customers. Just the bottom line.

 

[mixdup]

For sure I'm not saying that Stellantis has done everything right here. I had two 4xe Jeeps, a Wrangler and a Grand Cherokee. I just traded in the Wrangler but we're going to ride out the GC. Both have been trouble free and my wife loves hers, so we'll see what happens.

This time around Jeep is stepping up and putting an unlimited warranty on any affected vehicles, so they seem to maybe be learning their lessons

 

[GinaC]

It is my understanding that they are only offering an unlimited warranty on those batteries that have been proven to be bad.

Everyone else just has to either live with an unsafe vehicle or lose at least 50% value on a trade in.

How much do you want to bet that there will be another round of recalls this time next year?

 

[_olllllllo_]

Electric vehicles are something like 5 times less likely to catch fire compared to an ICE vehicle. Now the kicker is an ICE fire takes average of 5,000 gallons of water to extinguish it. An EV fire takes an average of 50,000 gallons of water and the vehicle has to be stored away from other vehicles due to the propensity to reignite. The other issue with EV fires is the temperature they burn at 5000˚ F has rendered a few Cybertruck owners who couldn't escape the vehicle unidentifiable due to the heat of the fire.

BEV batteries will get their in time, but I do have to wonder if all the mining is just replacing one environmental issue with another. I live in Arizona and mines actually pollute 2 times the footprint of the mine with tailings and other pollutants into the neighboring environment.

 

[gato]

EVs are not the only vehicles that have a fire risk or a lot of recalls. Gas cars burn to the ground every day

It's true that ICE vehicles catch fire more often. But they almost exclusively catch fire while on operation, due to a crash, fuel leak, oil leak, exploding clutches like in the JL, etc.

But EVs, also catch fire when they are not in operation, and specially when not attended and being charged. That is actually much more dangerous. If you have one parked in your garage, or parked in the garage of an apartment building, it can start a fire under a structure where people are sleeping. Most people that die on home fires, die because the fire started when people are sleeping.

I'd rather have a 10% chance that my ICE car will catch fire while in operation than a 1% chance that my EV will catch fire while charging overnight in my garage.

 

[2nd 392]

This is not unique to Jeep in any way. Battery issues and warnings put out about these issues have hit every industry that used these batteries.

A few years ago it was the batteries in the airplanes. The Chevy Volt, the Toyota Prius, etc. in the auto industry, some kids/adult toys, and even the latest EV bikes.

Missed one - home solar/storage - @gato too - November 2025 Tesla recall : Powerwall 2 battery systems can overheat, cause fires.

 

[Fatbob Frank]

This is not unique to Jeep in any way. Battery issues and warnings put out about these issues have hit every industry that used these batteries.

A few years ago it was the batteries in the airplanes. The Chevy Volt, the Toyota Prius, etc. in the auto industry, some kids/adult toys, and even the latest EV bikes.

Our neighbor bought a Subaru PHEV right about the time we bought out GC 4XE...
He had nothing but problems as well.
Ended up trading his off about the same time we did too...
This is not just a Jeep problem...

 

[Jocko]

I'd rather have a 10% chance that my ICE car will catch fire while in operation than a 1% chance that my EV will catch fire while charging overnight in my garage.

But thanks to that engine casting recall, you don't have to choose! That's the beauty of the PHEV design: you get the best of both worlds!

 

[Twojayhawks]

Maybe EV's should be equipped with fire suppression.

 

[4x4 Mule]

Hybrid is the way to go in my opinion. I have a new body style Honda CR-V Hybrid and it’s one of the best vehicles I have ever owned. I drove it for two years (50K miles) then gave it to my son to drive and I have not had one problem with it. I bought a 2022 (WK) Grand Cherokee for myself to replace the Honda. A true hybrid Wrangler would be ideal in my book.

 

[azjl#3]

Hybrid is the way to go in my opinion. I have a new body style Honda CR-V Hybrid and it’s one of the best vehicles I have ever owned. I drove it for two years (50K miles) then gave it to my son to drive and I have not had one problem with it. I bought a 2022 (WK) Grand Cherokee for myself to replace the Honda. A true hybrid Wrangler would be ideal in my book.

My sister proudly bought an explorer hybrid. Took a year to deliver, 12 months later she is driving a new land cruiser. Ford blew two transmissions and numerous other issues, she drove it a whole 3 months out of 12.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Ok, Ill ask it. Of all the PHEV's and EV's out there, is Jeep, one of the largest manufactures of all time, the only one with a potential vehicle fire?? And using Samsung batteries, one of the largest battery manufactures of all time? Is this a joke?

I guarantee one thing, if some other dealer knocked at my door and offered me a vehlcle remotely similar to my wrangler and I didn't have to take a bath on the depreciation, I'd trade it before I could finish this cup of coffee. And Id be done with Jeep. This is rediculous guys. We need to stand up to this somehow. I feel like a prisoner of of Jeep. Moneys gone, vehicle is crap. And...park it away from other vehicles? Away from the house? Im in Chicago. Where would that be exactly, in Lake Michigan?

As a fellow Greg, let me start by saying this:

 

[JesseT]

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BEV batteries will get their in time, but I do have to wonder if all the mining is just replacing one environmental issue with another. I live in Arizona and mines actually pollute 2 times the footprint of the mine with tailings and other pollutants into the neighboring environment.

There are lots of numbers floating around, but a fairly conservative estimate for the break-even point for environmental impact of the average BEV vs the average ICE vehicle seems to be somewhere around the 3-5 year mark (i.e. building an EV produces more emissions than building an ICE vehicle, and it takes 3-5 years for the reduced operating emissions of an EV to offset that). If someone's in the habit of leasing a new vehicle every 3 years, it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference one way or the other on their personal environmental footprint whether that's an EV or an ICE vehicle.

Back-of-the-envelope numbers for the 4xe, without knowing any exact figures, I'd estimate it to have a break-even point not too far off from that (the smaller battery vs a BEV would produce less emissions to build, but the fact that it also burns gas means that the emissions savings for operation would be less, so these factors should cancel each other out to some extent).

If you have to replace the battery after just a couple of years though, well, there goes the environmental benefit.

 

[Wbino]

There are lots of numbers floating around, but a fairly conservative estimate for the break-even point for environmental impact of the average BEV vs the average ICE vehicle seems to be somewhere around the 3-5 year mark (i.e. building an EV produces more emissions than building an ICE vehicle, and it takes 3-5 years for the reduced operating emissions of an EV to offset that). If someone's in the habit of leasing a new vehicle every 3 years, it probably doesn't make a whole lot of difference one way or the other on their personal environmental footprint whether that's an EV or an ICE vehicle.

Back-of-the-envelope numbers for the 4xe, without knowing any exact figures, I'd estimate it to have a break-even point not too far off from that (the smaller battery vs a BEV would produce less emissions to build, but the fact that it also burns gas means that the emissions savings for operation would be less, so these factors should cancel each other out to some extent).

If you have to replace the battery after just a couple of years though, well, there goes the environmental benefit.

I'm more concerned with the area immediately surrounding me and my family, EV's are quieter and don't smell or put out exhaust that you must breath.
I hope the technology of EV's which are in their infancy continues and we can stop making ICE vehicles eventually.

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