For the EV mafioso

[Pape]

I really can't tell where your goalposts are.

Super simple, when it come to range and recharge the electric car does not match the ICE.

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[NWJeepr]

Why so grouchy? You got big dementia daddy to save you from the big scary EVs. The real question is what is his mistress gonna do with her EV car company

 

[JesseT]

Super simple, when it come to range and recharge the electric car does not match the ICE.

I don't think you'll find anybody actually arguing against that.

 

[Husky Man]

Why so grouchy? You got big dementia daddy to save you from the big scary EVs. The real question is what is his mistress gonna do with her EV car company

We only have to suffer Dementia Daddy until 12:00 1/20/2025. After that the Recovery speeds up dramatically, fortunately soon after November 5th, the Recovery began. Simply Amazing what some people can accomplish, without even being in office yet


Doug

 

[Pape]

I don't think you'll find anybody actually arguing against that.

Ya I know, but still some do in this thread and resort to nasty comment once they run out of argument.

 

[JesseT]

Ya I know, but still some do in this thread and resort to nasty comment once they run out of argument.

I don't think they are. I'm mostly reading that as a "yes, but" kind of thing. Yes those are limitations of EVs, but they're not as bad as most people think they're going to be.

I think mainly where you ruffled some feathers is where you called EVs subpar goods, and that's what folks are defending against.

I guess accepting subpar service and good is acceptable under the premise of saving the planet. Or is it just a other 9 out of 10 doctors recommend to smoke Camels.

I agree that they're not perfectly interchangeable with ICE vehicles, especially in more rural areas and in as sprawling a country as the US. They do some things worse and some things better than ICE vehicles though, which makes them different, not "subpar."

 

[NWJeepr]

We only have to suffer Dementia Daddy until 12:00 1/20/2025. After that the Recovery speeds up dramatically, fortunately soon after November 5th, the Recovery began. Simply Amazing what some people can accomplish, without even being in office yet


Doug

Cheers. If you think the future is going to be kind to retired and uneducated truck drivers and the like, I truly wish those people the best. They're gonna need it the most!

 

[BXFXJeep]

Point me a EV today to can be fully charge in 5 minutes and that you can recharge where there is no infrastructure available ?

A significant number of vehicles do not require 5 minute charging or go where there is no infrastructure, if those are your requirements stick with gas.

 

[THAW]

https://www.sustainabilitybynumbers.com/p/battery-recycling-myth

TL;DR: that's an inaccurate figure widely repeated because it confirms biases. The paper it was originally misinterpreted from actually said: "The amount of Li-ion batteries collected in the EU in 2010 was estimated at 1,289 tonnes along with 297 tons of lithium. primary batteries. This is only about 5% of the Li-ion batteries put on the market, according to the Belgian recyclers, Umicore."

So

1. This is not "currently," because it's a number from almost 15 years ago
2. This is not the percent of dead batteries that are recycled. It's a comparison of how many are being recycled compared to how many are out there, not how many are dead. This could mean recycling rates are low, or it could mean that many more batteries are being introduced to the market than are reaching the end of their lifecycle, or it could mean that many more remain operational than are end-of-life.
3. This is not specific to EV batteries, but to all Li batteries. It's a lot easier to haphazardly toss a cell phone battery than an EV battery, and there's a lot more cell phone batteries in circulation.

Ahem, according to some guys and gal on the Internet it's "false" because they did some "research" and found there's no recycling data.

Bottom line: it's highly unlikely: EV batteries are being recycled at high rates (there'd be data if they were).

 

[NWJeepr]

Ahem, according to some guy on the Internet it's "false" because he did some "research" and found there's no recycling data.

Bottom line: it's highly unlikely: EV batteries are being recycled at high rates (there'd be data if they were).

If you took the time to do your own "research" you'd find that Tesla recycles 100% of its scrapped batteries as do other car companies.

Is it really that hard to poke a question into a search engine and analyze a few different sources?

 

[JesseT]

Ahem, according to some guy on the Internet it's "false" because he did some "research" and found there's no recycling data.

Bottom line: it's highly unlikely: EV batteries are being recycled at high rates (there'd be data if they were).

You're welcome to post your sources if you have better quality information than what I posted or your own speculation.

 

[KCSgtMaj]

Some people here seem to believe celebrities who have no scientific competence of any kind simply because they argue against the consensus of the people who literally spend their whole lives measuring, studying, testing and examining the subject. It really shouldn't be that difficult to determine who you should be trusting...

Those people measuring, studying, testing and examining are more than likely perpetuating their bloviated paychecks. Similar to defense contractors and others who continually lobby congressional bureaucrats for money. Regardless these are great discussions.

 

[THAW]

You're welcome to post your sources if you have better quality information than what I posted or your own speculation.

Your source claims the percentage is unknown (but is absolutely certain it's not 5%).

 

[THAW]

If you took the time to do your own "research" you'd find that Tesla recycles 100% of its scrapped batteries as do other car companies.

Is it really that hard to poke a question into a search engine and analyze a few different sources?

Hopefully Elon manages his "scrapped" battery program better than he manages Twitter, amiright?

 

[NWJeepr]

Hopefully Elon manages his "scrapped" battery program better than he manages Twitter, amiright?

His drug problem is unfortunate, but thankfully he has some sane people working under him.

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