boston3111
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Thinking about doing the 392 6.4 swap and looking into long term reliability. Anyone done this swap and ran into any serious issues?
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You think these swap shops will start to lower their prices and cut their profit margins once the 392 becomes more common place? I'd actually like to keep my JL and have Dakota or someone swap it but like you said...cheaper just to sell mine and buy a new 392.Might be easier these days just to buy one. 38k for Rubitrux unless doing it yourself.
Well I hope they start slashing their install prices first to stay relevant...really don't want full time 4wd like in the 392 and I kind of have some sentimental attachment to my current rig so dumping it really isn't in the cards. I think it they could get it done for 25k with a low mileage (20k) newer drivetrain I'd probably bite....but until then I'll just enjoy not getting speeding tickets I guess...I think you are going to see these guys like Rubitrux fade away just like Currie coil over conversions after TJ's came out.....
Nope. They're a custom shop first, and Hemi swap shop second. Sunk cost fallacy still exists and people will still ask them to V8 swap all sorts of Jeeps, likewise they'll get asked to swap Chevy, Ford, etc stuff into JL's too eventually I'm assuming. Plus, there will always be the people who don't want a new Jeep/ will buy a used one as a toy/ project and will just wante them to do a turn key build (v8, axles, etc). They can still command a premium for their services as well. I'm not saying I have that kind of change, but I've done pretty extensive research into what these swaps take to work, turnkey. What these shops charge is basically a bargain, and the reason that Mopar was able to price the 392 where they did.You think these swap shops will start to lower their prices and cut their profit margins once the 392 becomes more common place? I'd actually like to keep my JL and have Dakota or someone swap it but like you said...cheaper just to sell mine and buy a new 392.
My guess is 392 goes away when the other Hemi/ Hellcat platforms go. Just a guess though. Again, not to be a total pessimist, but there's no way we would get a factory "easy" V8 swap kit for the JL- I'm sure legal/ fuel consumption implications for an OEM would be far worse than a custom shop doing the work. So, it's less about being "smart" and making money, and more about being smart and continuing to make money by focusing on what makes them the most money for the most people- which is building Jeeps.I kind of think the factory offered 392 will be gone real soon. A smart manufacturer would then offer a 392 kit as it were that would make it easier for people to do the swap long after the factory 392 option is gone. Smart being the key word here.
Have you seen how easy they make it to do a hellcat swap Into just about anything? Very easy. We will see.Nope. They're a custom shop first, and Hemi swap shop second. Sunk cost fallacy still exists and people will still ask them to V8 swap all sorts of Jeeps, likewise they'll get asked to swap Chevy, Ford, etc stuff into JL's too eventually I'm assuming. Plus, there will always be the people who don't want a new Jeep/ will buy a used one as a toy/ project and will just wante them to do a turn key build (v8, axles, etc). They can still command a premium for their services as well. I'm not saying I have that kind of change, but I've done pretty extensive research into what these swaps take to work, turnkey. What these shops charge is basically a bargain, and the reason that Mopar was able to price the 392 where they did.
My guess is 392 goes away when the other Hemi/ Hellcat platforms go. Just a guess though. Again, not to be a total pessimist, but there's no way we would get a factory "easy" V8 swap kit for the JL- I'm sure legal/ fuel consumption implications for an OEM would be far worse than a custom shop doing the work. So, it's less about being "smart" and making money, and more about being smart and continuing to make money by focusing on what makes them the most money for the most people- which is building Jeeps.
That said... I still think about V8 swapping my JLUR/ trying to buy a second hand 392 Rubi down the road at least once a week.
"Easy" is always a relative term, though. I consider myself a pretty competent wrench, and I don't know that I would attempt a Hellcat swap, due to the extra complexity of the electronics and the super charger. I might attempt a 392 swap/ build, but that's because the architecture is already existing "from the factory"- in theory. But I can count on one hand the amount of people who don't own a shop and would be able to successfully complete such a job. You may have more competent friends, so your mileage may vary.Have you seen how easy they make it to do a hellcat swap Into just about anything? Very easy. We will see.