Rear Locker for Willys in 2022!?

[Odyssey USA]

My guess is that if they made any rear locker available on other than a Rubicon, it would be then coming out with the JL and/or JLU version of the Mojave…and charge about the same price as a similarly equipped Rubicon to not undercut the Rubicon. Rear locker sounds like it will take care of most needs in the trail so I think it would be a great idea if it came with better suspension and ride. If the suspension was delectable like with SRT…even better.

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[JeepViking13]

Some people in this thread keep harping on a rear locker being available stand alone in response to the Bronco, it’s not available stand alone on the Bronco either? The Ford fans talk about Jeep overcharging, to get the rear locker you have to add the Sasquatch package for $7,400. That brings msrp to $38k+ on a base 2 door with no other options. In case you aren’t paying attention, a base 2 door rubicon is still under $40k. Even if we ignore the fact that the bronco is going to take at least a year to be delivered if you order one, you‘ll likely pay a dealer mark up or at least msrp, and you’ll still have no articulation, a rubicon can easily be had for less than the msrp of a bronco base with Sasquatch. There is no benefit to forgoing the front locker, sway bar disconnect, etc by buying a willys with a rear locker unless you could get Jeep to add it for free.

You're wrong. Big Bend and up you can get a rear Locker for. The Base is the only Bronco you have to go full Sasquatch package to get it. And when you look at the interior of the base with AC, power window, power locks, 8.5 touch screen and more all standard compared to Jeep it's not really a base vehicle.

And I am not a Ford fan whatsoever. I'm a non biased objective buyer looking for a new off road vehicle. And as of now I'm leaning towards a 2022 Jeep Rubicon. I'm just stating the facts. I'm hoping Jeep offers it's customers more as I'm thinking about buying one.

 

[Zandcwhite]

You're wrong. Big Bend and up you can get a rear Locker for. The Base is the only Bronco you have to go full Sasquatch package to get it. And when you look at the interior of the base with AC, power window, power locks, 8.5 touch screen and more all standard compared to Jeep it's not really a base vehicle.

And I am not a Ford fan whatsoever. I'm a non biased objective buyer looking for a new off road vehicle. And as of now I'm leaning towards a 2022 Jeep Rubicon. I'm just stating the facts. I'm hoping Jeep offers it's customers more as I'm thinking about buying one.

A no option big bend with the rear locker msrp is over$36k, so again you could get a base Rubicon for the same price otd, far sooner, with all the off road goodies a big bend with added rear locker won't have. I'm not sure where or how you think I was wrong? You can't get the locker a la cart on a base. The Bronco and the Wrangler are comparably priced top to bottom. With the Wrangler you get more capability for your money. With the Bronco you get a long wait, power windows, locks, and ac on a base that will ultimately cost more out the door than a wrangler with those options added, and no real hard top option as of yet. If nothing else the piss poor launch and idiots paying massive mark ups are showing jeep they can raise prices not lower them.

 

[JL_Confidential]

I didn't read this entire thread, but the Mojave Gladiator comes with a rear locker. Then of course you have the Rubicon Gladiator too. With that, I don't see it as a problem to add a rear locker to the Willys without cannibalizing too much of the Rubicon sales. Those who want a Rubicon, will still buy a Rubicon. Whether is for function or status. My $0.02

 

[JeepViking13]

A no option big bend with the rear locker msrp is over$36k, so again you could get a base Rubicon for the same price otd, far sooner, with all the off road goodies a big bend with added rear locker won't have. I'm not sure where or how you think I was wrong? You can't get the locker a la cart on a base. The Bronco and the Wrangler are comparably priced top to bottom. With the Wrangler you get more capability for your money. With the Bronco you get a long wait, power windows, locks, and ac on a base that will ultimately cost more out the door than a wrangler with those options added, and no real hard top option as of yet. If nothing else the piss poor launch and idiots paying massive mark ups are showing jeep they can raise prices not lower them.

Please tell me where I can buy a new Rubicon 2 door for $36k so I can buy it. I being dead serious.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Please tell me where I can buy a new Rubicon 2 door for $36k so I can buy it. I being dead serious.

I know reading comprehension is hard so I will type slower. The big bend with a rear locker has a $36,395 msrp. You have a 0% chance of paying less than msrp on a Bronco right now. A new base model 2 door Rubicon has an msrp of $39,765. Invoice is about $3k less. A quick search on this forum will find you several dealers offering 5-7% below invoice. 5% below $36,765 (invoice on base rubicon) is $34,926. Out the door will likely be in the $37-38k range, but still less than the big bend even without the likely dealer mark up. I said you can buy a Rubicon for less out the door than any Bronco with a rear locker out the door, and I stand by that statement.

 

[JeepViking13]

I know reading comprehension is hard so I will type slower. The big bend with a rear locker has a $36,395 msrp. You have a 0% chance of paying less than msrp on a Bronco right now. A new base model 2 door Rubicon has an msrp of $39,765. Invoice is about $3k less. A quick search on this forum will find you several dealers offering 5-7% below invoice. 5% below $36,765 (invoice on base rubicon) is $34,926. Out the door will likely be in the $37-38k range, but still less than the big bend even without the likely dealer mark up. I said you can buy a Rubicon for less out the door than any Bronco with a rear locker out the door, and I stand by that statement.

Guess what I'm already in touch with those dealers on here that offer 5% off invoice and your math is way off. Once you add back tax ,tags and destination fee it still comes in at around $41k. The best part is that you're missing some are also a Ford dealer as well. At least the one I'm dealing with is and also will do the Bronco for 5% under invoice.

So getting a Big Bend Bronco through the dealer that offers 5% off invoice then plus tax and tags you're looking at about $35.5kish. Please name a Jeep that you can get with a rear Locker, AC, power windows, power, locks and an 8.5 touch screen for $35.5k!! You can't it doesn't exist. And I stand by my statement!!!!

 

[Zandcwhite]

Guess what I'm already in touch with those dealers on here that offer 5% off invoice and your math is way off. Once you add back tax ,tags and destination fee it still comes in at around $41k. The best part is that you're missing some are also a Ford dealer as well. At least the one I'm dealing with is and also will do the Bronco for 5% under invoice.

So getting a Big Bend Bronco through the dealer that offers 5% off invoice then plus tax and tags you're looking at about $35.5kish. Please name a Jeep that you can get with a rear Locker, AC, power windows, power, locks and an 8.5 touch screen for $35.5k!! You can't it doesn't exist. And I stand by my statement!!!!

I have bought a Wrangler under invoice and know many who have, show me I Bronco DELIVERED the same? If it were my money, I'd take the Rubicon with manual windows over the Bronco with only a rear locker, power windows, and larger screen (especially seeing that on virtually any obstacle the Bronco has a front tire in the air making it effectively rear wheel drive without a front locker). Or just do like I did and spend the money on a pretty loaded Rubicon that was still cheaper than a loaded Bronco, has a hard top that works flawlessly, and doesn't have ifs. If you can actually get a Bronco under invoice any time this year, I would jump on it. Flip it for the ridiculous price people are paying, and buy the better vehicle. Let Ford fans pay for the power windows and AC and front locker for you.

 

[JeepViking13]

I have bought a Wrangler under invoice and know many who have, show me I Bronco DELIVERED the same? If it were my money, I'd take the Rubicon with manual windows over the Bronco with only a rear locker, power windows, and larger screen (especially seeing that on virtually any obstacle the Bronco has a front tire in the air making it effectively rear wheel drive without a front locker). Or just do like I did and spend the money on a pretty loaded Rubicon that was still cheaper than a loaded Bronco, has a hard top that works flawlessly, and doesn't have ifs. If you can actually get a Bronco under invoice any time this year, I would jump on it. Flip it for the ridiculous price people are paying, and buy the better vehicle. Let Ford fans pay for the power windows and AC and front locker for you.

You're missing the entire point of this thread. You're turning it into a biased opinion and what you can buy right now. This thread is in hopes that Jeep offers more in 2022 and beyond in response to what Bronco is offering standard. He'll not counting the off road bits economy cars offer more in the interior standard then Jeep. He'll you can go get $13 to $15k Chevy Spark for christ sake that comes standard with AC, power windows and locks.

I don't think it's to much to ask to have those interior options standard and have available rear Lockers especially for the Willys package for a reasonable price.

Whether you like the Bronco or not it's here and it is competition and many will chose it in the coming years. Competition makes vehicles better. I personally hope Jeep offers more because I like them better then the Bronco and I'm looking to buy one.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

To stick to the true interpretation of what a Willys should be, Jeep should sell it with no doors, no radio, no AC and steel wheels. It should have manual locking hubs and canvas seats, no carpet. No plastic bumpers, just steel C channel. Leave the airbags and seat belts for modern day safety requirements.

The only options would be a base soft top with half doors and a very basic all weather radio. Maybe spray liner for the inside.

If Jeep built that, and priced it at $21,900, I bet they would sell more than expected

 

[Zandcwhite]

You're missing the entire point of this thread. You're turning it into a biased opinion and what you can buy right now. This thread is in hopes that Jeep offers more in 2022 and beyond in response to what Bronco is offering standard. He'll not counting the off road bits economy cars off more in the interior standard then Jeep. He'll you can go get $13 to $15k Chevy Spark for christ sake that comes standard with AC, power windows and locks.

I don't think it's to much to ask to have those interior options standard and have available rear Lockers especially for the Willys package for a reasonable price.

Whether you like the Bronco or not it's here and it is competition and many will chose it in the coming years. Competition makes vehicles better. I personally hope Jeep offers more because I like them better then the Bronco and I'm looking to buy one.

How does the spark interior hold up to rain? How's it do on the trail? You're comparing things that aren't comparable. Jeep does a lot of things for the old school buyer and I hope that doesn't go away. I don't think I know anyone personally across dozens of Wranglers from tj's to jk's to jl's who have ever folded their windshield, but I appreciate the fact that they held on to that retro touch this long. If you haven't figured it out yet, many Jeepers want bare bones. I'm not one of them but I think it's great that Jeep still caters to them too. If you want ac, check the box. If you want power windows, check the box. I've never seen a JL on the lot that didn't have ac and power windows, dealers pretty much always check those boxes. Why are you so concerned that people can still custom order their Jeep without features that YOU want? Choice is great. I'm very happy with my choice to have leather, power windows, ac, seat heaters, adaptive cruise control, etc but by no means do I think anyone else having the option to have none of those things is a negative.

 

[JeepViking13]

How does the spark interior hold up to rain? How's it do on the trail? You're comparing things that aren't comparable. Jeep does a lot of things for the old school buyer and I hope that doesn't go away. I don't think I know anyone personally across dozens of Wranglers from tj's to jk's to jl's who have ever folded their windshield, but I appreciate the fact that they held on to that retro touch this long. If you haven't figured it out yet, many Jeepers want bare bones. I'm not one of them but I think it's great that Jeep still caters to them too. If you want ac, check the box. If you want power windows, check the box. I've never seen a JL on the lot that didn't have ac and power windows, dealers pretty much always check those boxes. Why are you so concerned that people can still custom order their Jeep without features that YOU want? Choice is great. I'm very happy with my choice to have leather, power windows, ac, seat heaters, adaptive cruise control, etc but by no means do I think anyone else having the option to have none of those things is a negative.

Nothing wrong with offering bare bones as long as the AC and power locks and windows are standard and then you subtract from the price if you don't want them. Instead Jeep makes you add to the already expensive price if you want it.

I'm sorry but in the models I'm talking about (non Rubicon) especially cloth interior is not water proof, and let's face it a solid axle is super old school technology across the board and shouldn't make a vehicle cost more. It actually technically should cost less. You can buy a tractor with solid axles. Lol.. So Jeeps are already being priced above what they should be and then you get slapped in the face and have to pay extra for things like AC and power if you want it.

I'm sorry but as much as I like Jeeps they are over priced. And Jeep has made a killing over the years from hard-core Jeep enthusiasts willing to pay for the lifestyle.

 

[Zandcwhite]

Nothing wrong with offering bare bones as long as the AC and power locks and windows are standard and then you subtract from the price if you don't want them. Instead Jeep makes you add to the already expensive price if you want it.

I'm sorry but in the models I'm talking about (non Rubicon) especially cloth interior is not water proof, and let's face it a solid axle is super old school technology across the board and shouldn't make a vehicle cost more. It actually technically should cost less. You can buy a tractor with solid axles. Lol.. So Jeeps are already being priced above what they should be and then you get slapped in the face and have to pay extra for things like AC and power if you want it.

I'm sorry but as much as I like Jeeps they are over priced. And Jeep has made a killing over the years from hard-core Jeep enthusiasts willing to pay for the lifestyle.

Base priced like a jeep, no ac, no power windows, cheap solid axles, just 4wd and an engine. It's almost like the utility makes it expensive? If you think stamped sheet metal ifs arms are more expensive to produce than solid axles I've got news for you. A stamped unibody with thin wall control arms and front wheel drive likely costs 10% of building a body on frame, solid axle, 4wd rig, but go ahead and pay half the price for that spark if that's what you want. Cheap doesn't mean value.

 

[JeepViking13]

Base priced like a jeep, no ac, no power windows, cheap solid axles, just 4wd and an engine. It's almost like the utility makes it expensive? If you think stamped sheet metal ifs arms are more expensive to produce than solid axles I've got news for you. A stamped unibody with thin wall control arms and front wheel drive likely costs 10% of building a body on frame, solid axle, 4wd rig, but go ahead and pay half the price for that spark if that's what you want. Cheap doesn't mean value.

That thing has a turbo charged diesel engine and a hydraulic system that's not cheap. I'm just saying solid axles aren't some crazy expensive technology.

Doesn't matter. Bottom line in the year 2021 every vehicle should come standard with AC and power.

And like I said it would be nice for Jeep to throw us a bone especially the people who can't afford a Rubicon and offer a rear Locker in the Willys.

At this point we can stop the back and forth and just agree to disagree.

 

[Zandcwhite]

That thing has a turbo charged diesel engine and a hydraulic system that's not cheap. I'm just saying solid axles aren't some crazy expensive technology.

Doesn't matter. Bottom line in the year 2021 every vehicle should come standard with AC and power.

And like I said it would be nice for Jeep to throw us a bone especially the people who can't afford a Rubicon and offer a rear Locker in the Willys.

At this point we can stop the back and forth and just agree to disagree.

That 66hp direct injection turbo diesel is literally cheaper than the 2.0t in the Jeep. The pto hydraulic system is neither complex nor expensive. The market determines the vehicle price, Jeep isn't going to lower prices or add free options when they literally cannot build them faster than they can sell them. It would be great if I could buy a bare bones wrangler as a trail beater for $15k, but those days are long gone. It would be awesome if my loaded Rubicon was $40k instead of $54k, but that didn't stop me from buying it. It is what it is. I still see more value in a wrangler than any comparable competitor and that's why I own one.

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