you WILL get the update, plebe!

[grimmjeeper]

No it isn't. It was never an option, and the details about how its used are not disclosed before purchase. Arguments that I didnt spend enough hours in obscure websites to find out the facts beforehand are nonsense.

additionally your statement about there not being any cars out there that don't track you makes it impossible not to accept, doesnt it?

old car crapped out, bought a new one. if all new ones have a feature that you dont want then its a matter of trying to remove it after purchase. I bought a jeep in part for this reason.

I posted once when I first got it to ask about removal, I posted the second time after discovering its connected to the internet somehow without my permission or control.

They give you an app that does all this, so the direct implication is that if you dont use the app then the jeep wont have the features. turns out this is not the case.

the solution then is to find a way out by removing the affected components.

I understand your comment about this being brought up all the time, but I dare you to find any one subject about jeeps that isnt repeatedly asked on this forum and rightly so; not everyone was here at the beginning and search features in forums arent the greatest.

Theres gotta be a zillion posts about corrosion on doors. I posted about that today and got straight answers. but this subject? all you get is mockery.

Asking the question doesn't get you mocked.

How you respond to those answers is the motivation behind it. And asking the same question in multiple new threads drives it more. Rejecting answers you don't like just gives people more ammunition. Refusing to admit to yourself that your assumptions were not correct is like tossing up a softball and asking people not to hit it out of the park.

This is how the internet works. It's how it worked before the internet when people were on USENET, and BBS chat rooms.

I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under but I would recommend you get out in the real world and experience life a bit more.

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[tomk62]

Because one assumes that if you dont connect something to the internet that its not connected to the internet ... In short there is no way to know until you buy it ...

I bought the jeep in large part because of how simple it appears to be in construction compared to everything else for this reason.

https://www.jeep.com/wrangler/technology.html

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[Brad Hearing]

Rejecting answers you don't like just gives people more ammunition.

I don't know what kind of rock you've been living under but I would recommend you get out in the real world and experience life a bit more.

Thanks for proving my point again (second time today) about mockery and the need to make others fit in.

information decays in a forum. I had additional motivation to post the second time, weeks after the first I might add, because of new information about the problem.

Asking for a solution then having someone tell me the solution is to stop whining and sell my jeep is an answer I reject and I hope its pretty obvious as to why.

Now please if you want to mock me again and go once more in this circle we can but id rather hear from people with actual input into the matter.

And I have - got some private DMs about it and actual progress on the problem.

 

[Brad Hearing]

https://www.jeep.com/wrangler/technology.html

deeply connected can mean many things, the least of which is "permanent"

 

[Kyanche]

Lol a signed light bulb. Next thing you know they will store the signing certificate on a unprotected S3 bucket

In some cars they stick a little microcontroller in the headlight/taillight assemblies so they don't have to run individual wires for all of the lights and they can do fancier lighting effects, and I imagine if there's blind spot sensors in the light modules they can also handle that in the same interface. In theory it's a nice idea, since it simplifies the wiring harness. But the tradeoff is you leave a potential open security hole if the controller upstream accepts _ANYTHING_ from that connector. (Some Toyotas did this lol).

I was joking about how with a mind for security you can go way overboard and make a car impossible to service in the future in the name of security.

The best example of all this is our key system. Not sure who design that but he/she need to get some training on security.

For reals. As far as I can tell, the pcb in the key came straight from Alfa Romeo.

And they added an rfid chip that just hangs out in the keyfob separate from that pcb.

Edit: Yes that means you should be able to use the housing for an alfa romeo (stelvio?) keyfob with your wrangler's keyfob pcb. just remember to bring the rfid over.

 

[Pape]

In some cars they stick a little microcontroller in the headlight/taillight assemblies so they don't have to run individual wires for all of the lights and they can do fancier lighting effects, and I imagine if there's blind spot sensors in the light modules they can also handle that in the same interface. In theory it's a nice idea, since it simplifies the wiring harness. But the tradeoff is you leave a potential open security hole if the controller upstream accepts _ANYTHING_ from that connector. (Some Toyotas did this lol).

I was joking about how with a mind for security you can go way overboard and make a car impossible to service in the future in the name of security.



For reals. As far as I can tell, the pcb in the key came straight from Alfa Romeo.

And they added an rfid chip that just hangs out in the keyfob separate from that pcb.

Edit: Yes that means you should be able to use the housing for an alfa romeo (stelvio?) keyfob with your wrangler's keyfob pcb. just remember to bring the rfid over.

I did understand the point about the light, but still cannot deny there is something funny about a crypto signed lightbulb.

The key fob is about the lack of logic in something you own equivalence. The good old key is something you own, the new wireless key fob is not something you own as it can be accessed remotely making it vulnerable in relay attack as we have see exploited numerous time.
Sadly enough the only real fix is to introduce human intervention who return to the same level remote push button.

 

[NWJeepr]

Asking for a solution then having someone tell me the solution is to stop whining and sell my jeep is an answer I reject and I hope its pretty obvious as to why.

The suggestion is perhaps the most resolute and expedient way to relieve your imagined troubles with your Jeep. You’re welcome.

 

[Brad Hearing]

The suggestion is perhaps the most resolute and expedient way to relieve your imagined troubles with your Jeep. You’re welcome.

hows your wifes boyfriend doing? Has he taken you to any baseball games lately?

 

[NWJeepr]

hows your wifes boyfriend doing? Has he taken you to any baseball games lately?

Oooh, spicy! Why are you getting so personal and nasty?

 

[Lemo]

- Buy jeep (2024 sahara)
- Drive jeep
- Dont connect jeep to wifi or phone
- Past three months ownership so no more free jeep connect package i didnt want anyway
- Jeep notifies me that it failed an update one day
- Next day jeep notifies me that it received the update and things are fine.

Wait what? So the jeep can be updated even if its not connected to anything? And it will do it regardless of if I want it or not!?

Clearly remote control is still on since if they can change software they can brick the vehicle or make it honk the horn every time it detects a stronger person in the drivers seat in front of you during rush hour traffic. So please, tell me again where my privacy starts and ends, who actually owns the vehicle I paid for in full and while we are at it tell me why the GPS feature isnt free because if jeep can force software down our throats in the first place against our will then there is a two way communication happening that they are paying for anyway.

You will own nothing and be happy im told, but im not happy. I would rather own what I bought and this doesn't feel like ownership.

Ha! Jeep can’t keep there vehicles from leaking rainwater much less be part of some vast Italian led conspiracy to track Americans who have purchased poorly built vehicles.

 

[Brad Hearing]

Ha! Jeep can’t keep there vehicles from leaking rainwater much less be part of some vast Italian led conspiracy to track Americans who have purchased poorly built vehicles.

Damn, I never considered the italians. Here I always thought it was the [insert literally any group except italians here].

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