Traded!

[Mocopo]

They really don't. They've just been talked about more.

I asked Google AI to compare 4XE vs ICE recalls.

"Jeep's 4xe plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) have faced significant recalls, notably for potential battery fires (around 320k vehicles) and engine fire risks (over 100k) due to casting debris, leading to advice to park outside and avoid charging, while traditional ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) Wrangler recalls, though present (like electrical/airbag issues in older models), seem less concentrated on widespread fire risks affecting a huge chunk of the current lineup compared to the PHEV's major battery/engine issues. It's hard to get exact head-to-head numbers, but the PHEV issues are substantial and recent, impacting most 4xe models."

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[Heimkehr]

I really hope I don't get too raked over the coals with the trade in. And I don't really have a choice because the nearest Carvana and Carmax are 4 hours away.

I thought Carvana, at least, sent a flatbed to the seller's residence to pick up the vehicle? That occurs after a price offer is agreed to in advance of said pick up. That's certainly what the related emails mentioned every time they solicited me to sell my JLU to them.

 

[lindaspins]

I asked Google AI to compare 4XE vs ICE recalls.

"Jeep's 4xe plug-in hybrids (PHEVs) have faced significant recalls, notably for potential battery fires (around 320k vehicles) and engine fire risks (over 100k) due to casting debris, leading to advice to park outside and avoid charging, while traditional ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) Wrangler recalls, though present (like electrical/airbag issues in older models), seem less concentrated on widespread fire risks affecting a huge chunk of the current lineup compared to the PHEV's major battery/engine issues. It's hard to get exact head-to-head numbers, but the PHEV issues are substantial and recent, impacting most 4xe models."

Just for kicks, I did the same but dialed it in a bit deeper. The number of units affected by the recent recalls looks bad, but it's not out of line with what other manufacturers are seeing for many different reasons.
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[GinaC]

I thought Carvana, at least, sent a flatbed to the seller's residence to pick up the vehicle? That occurs after a price offer is agreed to in advance of said pick up. That's certainly what the related emails mentioned every time they solicited me to sell my JLU to them.

Only if you're within 60 miles of the hub. The closest one to me is in Albany, NY.

 

[Heimkehr]

Only if you're within 60 miles of the hub. The closest one to me is in Albany, NY.

Ah, ok.

 

[RAD1]

Congrats!

I got a call today that my new ICE Jeep is going to be built shortly. I really hope I don't get too raked over the coals with the trade in. And I don't really have a choice because the nearest Carvana and Carmax are 4 hours away.

Congrats. I would highly recommend you sell privately on FB marketplace. When I was considering trading my 2024 Willys V6 6MT SOT for a 2025 Willys with the 8sp Auto the dealer offered me $33K on trade in with 13K miles in perfect condition. Carvana's offer is $32,200 today. The sticker was $54K.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Carvana has been buying some CDJR dealers in the last year or so. Should be interesting to see if that has any affect on used Jeep prices.

 

[Deleted User 38384]

Finally got a recall notice for my 2024. Thought I was exempt all this time. Love the vehicle, not the ridiculous 20 mile charge! Come on! Traded for gas.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Owned both. Had to sell one for parts because an engine swap wasn't in the budget after all the other stuff we did trying to fix it.
Hint: it wasn't the 4xe.

They really don't. They've just been talked about more.

Just for kicks, I did the same but dialed it in a bit deeper. The number of units affected by the recent recalls looks bad, but it's not out of line with what other manufacturers are seeing for many different reasons.
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I don’t think this sentiment is quite accurate. I’ve also been an owner of both. It’s hard to obtain data other than recalls and NHTSA information, hard facts.

However, I’ve realized that “hard debated” “facts” on this forum typically come down to some kind of small balance in one direction or the other. It’s true the ICE Wrangler has plenty of its own issues - but it appears the occurrence of severe issues is lower on all three Gasoline ICE engines than it is on the PHEV drivetrain, and that is when normalizing for the number of months each drivetrain has accumulated.

In principle I always loved my 4xe and the idea of it. In practice, the 4xe’s continue to be an owners headache, both financially and operationally.

The 4xe is bluntly put a sh** quality product. Yes you will have issues with the others too. But if I had to take my chances, it’s pretty obvious I wouldn’t chose a 4xe.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Adding to my above note, let’s compare this in a normalized fashion based on only hard facts, leaving out consumer complaints. The picture isn’t better for the 4xe. This option simply has a much higher concentration of problems than the other drivetrain options and that’s not even talking about severity of issues. This is of course only looking at the JL generation and its latest iteration of drivetrains.

 

[WXman]

I guess I should go to town and buy a lotto ticket before tonight's drawing. I've had a '92, '11, '12, '18, and '25 Wrangler and a '20 and '21 Gladiator. I have NEVER had an abnormal number of issues with any Jeeps I have ever owned. They have actually been above average in terms of reliability and lack of dealership visits. So I don't understand the constant complaints about Wrangler reliability that I see all over the internet. I realize the 4xe has issues due to the complexity of design, but the ICE Wranglers have always been great if maintained and cared for properly.

 

[Skeethree]

They really don't. They've just been talked about more.

I agree, other than the recall notices we've had no problems with our 4xe's. They both run perfectly and even not being recharged now still get much better gas mileage than the V6.

 

[cansberry]

Adding to my above note, let’s compare this in a normalized fashion based on only hard facts, leaving out consumer complaints. The picture isn’t better for the 4xe. This option simply has a much higher concentration of problems than the other drivetrain options and that’s not even talking about severity of issues. This is of course only looking at the JL generation and its latest iteration of drivetrains.

Interesting data sets, both of them. This does seem to support my theory that the 2.0L is about as reliable as the 3.6L.

While I have loved my 4xe for my particular situation, it being under a second recall for significant fire risk due to a manufacturing defect and the attempted fix being software is not good. When the lease is up, I will not be keeping the vehicle. Odds are I won't get another Stelantis product.

From in screen pop up ads to doing the minimum in taking care of a significant safety risk to ever increasing prices it's tough to trust the company and therefore the product.

But idk. I do love Jeeps. I still got 6 months, so we'll see I guess.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

Interesting data sets, both of them. This does seem to support my theory that the 2.0L is about as reliable as the 3.6L.

While I have loved my 4xe for my particular situation, it being under a second recall for significant fire risk due to a manufacturing defect and the attempted fix being software is not good. When the lease is up, I will not be keeping the vehicle. Odds are I won't get another Stelantis product.

From in screen pop up ads to doing the minimum in taking care of a significant safety risk to ever increasing prices it's tough to trust the company and therefore the product.

But idk. I do love Jeeps. I still got 6 months, so we'll see I guess.

392 prices are tumbling considering the recent launch of new trims with that engine. Reliability is good on that one.

 

[Tr4ckD4ys]

I agree, other than the recall notices we've had no problems with our 4xe's. They both run perfectly and even not being recharged now still get much better gas mileage than the V6.

Yes, but you’d still prefer charging them than carrying around a 500lbs dead weight for no reason other than it possibly catching fire?

You haven’t exactly been issue free with your vehicles. You’ve just not had the consequences of those issues your vehicles came with happen yet (and hopefully never will).

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