This could slow down 4xe sales

[halljam]

my father was in charge of various aspects of family court for 35 years. he knows the various departments inside and out.

ok...

I work in the system. I see first hand how this is abused.

why not lead with that then?

2. if you have a special needs child there is a program, all. the time, not during covid, that a family member is allowed to hire a babysitter to allow the family time on their own to do shopping and what not. the babysitter can not have same last name of the parents. the parents sign off on hours and the sate. . . get this . . .sends the check to the parents. it is all tax free money up front. the parent then pays the babysitter. it doesn't go to the baby sitter. just 2 of the biggest abused examples from before covid and during covid.

Ah, yes. I'm seething with righteous indignation because checks notes taxpayer dollars may have potentially been misappropriated by the parents of special needs kids?

What a great scam!

Step 1: Have special needs child.
Step 2: ??????
Step 3: Profit!

I can't imagine a more difficult method to get a check from the government.

Sponsored

 

[Ratiogear]

Don't need to respond to the bullshit U-6 claims, because csjlu did, but again, it's ALSO down and back to normal ranges. It's hilarious to also bring up U-6 and then point at job openings, because a ton of those job openings we are experiencing 'labor shortages' for are for shit tier jobs paying less than living wage, ie: underemployment. Who the fuck would endanger their lives working in education or service right now? We are going to face a huge nursing and general healthcare crisis soon too, not to mention the already desperate scramble in TX and FL to get teachers, VPs, and Principals. I was offered a 12k bump to be a school administrator, and a 33k bump to go back to the classroom, because those jobs are so shit and understaffed currently.

The whole conversation around welfare queens has been going on since the 90s, and it's a distraction from real issues. Bringing up hypotheticals that offend your sensibilities is a key distraction from both sides, but we'd rather discuss the hypothetical welfare queens or the transgender kids in sports than the actual issues of income inequality, and the absurd lack of taxes paid by the actually wealthy.

"I worked as a server so other people should do the same in a pandemic or starve to death, and also I've worked with kids of this age group, so therefore I know the overall work ethic of their entire generation."

I'm an educator, I taught for 8 years before moving to education training/tech/administration. I've worked with tens of thousands of kids directly in classrooms of 35 or less in my time as a teacher, and observed teachers supporting several thousand more. Guess what? It's really hard to quantify an entire generation's work ethic. I've seen lazy druggies and brilliant stars and everything in between, and as a whole, they are dealing with very different challenges than I did at their age, and handling way more as well. On the whole, I'd say previous generations got the better end of the deal.

I know a senior in high school this year who I "taught" in 5th grade through a non profit I worked for as a side gig. This kid has a linked in profile that he's been curating since he was in 8th grade, with 40+awards and recognitions, and 7 years of experience as a tutor listed on his resume. He will literally graduate from college with 12 years of experience to apply for entry level jobs. He's been a theater technician at his local theater, a part of the dallas children's choir, he has 6 different certifications for coding, matlab, and music that he really earned from organizations to flesh out his resume. He has goddamn featured articles about him from some of the non profits he worked to get organized for his campus to use as fundraising tools that he features at the top of his profile. He went to a science fair hosted at a local research hospital, where the researchers who worked there acted as judges for the competition. It's a great event, I worked in organizing portions of it, but it's generally just a "get kids interested in STEM" kind of things. This kid made a connection with a judge whom he now lists as a mentor and who wrote a letter of recommendation, also featured on his linkedin page, alongside 3 other rec letters from a former teacher, a graduated peer who runs a nonprofit, and a VP from an internship he had at lowe's.

If all that isn't enough, this kid created a registered nonprofit as a sophomore to provide tutoring services to low income families. He has a 4.2 GPA. He's a unique kid who probably still has a longshot of getting into Harvard.

Of what I've seen of this generation? They work way harder to achieve way less because they are facing a much more overpopulated and underfunded world. But their work ethics are fine.

 

[halljam]

Of what I've seen of this generation? They work way harder to achieve way less because they are facing a much more overpopulated and underfunded world. But their work ethics are fine.

PM me. I will glady Venmo you coffee/beer money since I can't buy you one in person.

Because, I really, really wish I could.

 

[JSFoster75]

Of what I've seen of this generation? They work way harder to achieve way less because they are facing a much more overpopulated and underfunded world. But their work ethics are fine.

Did you seriously just say "overpopulated world"?? You do realize that there is enough land mass in TX to give nearly every living person in America an acre of land, right? Then there's the rest of America.... (Approximately 1.9 billion acres)

 

[Jank4AU]

re: your comments about an entire generation of workers, I have to disagree respectfully. I'm a Gen X'er and had to endure angry Baby Boomers saying the same degrading things about my generation. While the lack of work ethic may be true at a regional level, here in the NYC area its not uncommon to pull 10-14 hour days, 6-7x per week. I also work with Millennials, Gen Ys and Gen Zs every day, who pull longer hours than I do since they support me. They are crazy smart too - I'm lucky to even have a job given what these younger people can do. Again it may be a regional thing, and YMMV.

I'll admit you're right here. I shouldn't have just painted everyone of this current generation with the same broad brush. But there are way too many in this generation who have no work ethic. I know quite a few who do, and they'll do well and flourish. They are overshadowed by the abundance of the ones who don't.

 

[Ratiogear]

Did you seriously just say "overpopulated world"?? You do realize that there is enough land mass in TX to give nearly every living person in America an acre of land, right? Then there's the rest of America.... (Approximately 1.9 billion acres)

Yea and enough food production to easily provide for everyone as well. That isn't how the world works though, but by all means, counter the facts around lack of career opportunity, competitiveness of the job market for young professionals, and the increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of the ultrarich with some bullshit about landmass ?

They are overshadowed by the abundance of the ones who don't [have work ethic]

You're full of it. What do you know about this generation besides what social media tells you about them? Exactly how many of this generation do you know, and then, how many do you actually know, well enough to make a judgement on their work ethic?

 

[Jank4AU]

Don't need to respond to the bullshit U-6 claims, because csjlu did, but again, it's ALSO down and back to normal ranges. It's hilarious to also bring up U-6 and then point at job openings, because a ton of those job openings we are experiencing 'labor shortages' for are for shit tier jobs paying less than living wage, ie: underemployment. Who the fuck would endanger their lives working in education or service right now? We are going to face a huge nursing and general healthcare crisis soon too, not to mention the already desperate scramble in TX and FL to get teachers, VPs, and Principals. I was offered a 12k bump to be a school administrator, and a 33k bump to go back to the classroom, because those jobs are so shit and understaffed currently.

The whole conversation around welfare queens has been going on since the 90s, and it's a distraction from real issues. Bringing up hypotheticals that offend your sensibilities is a key distraction from both sides, but we'd rather discuss the hypothetical welfare queens or the transgender kids in sports than the actual issues of income inequality, and the absurd lack of taxes paid by the actually wealthy.

"I worked as a server so other people should do the same in a pandemic or starve to death, and also I've worked with kids of this age group, so therefore I know the overall work ethic of their entire generation."

I'm an educator, I taught for 8 years before moving to education training/tech/administration. I've worked with tens of thousands of kids directly in classrooms of 35 or less in my time as a teacher, and observed teachers supporting several thousand more. Guess what? It's really hard to quantify an entire generation's work ethic. I've seen lazy druggies and brilliant stars and everything in between, and as a whole, they are dealing with very different challenges than I did at their age, and handling way more as well. On the whole, I'd say previous generations got the better end of the deal.

I know a senior in high school this year who I "taught" in 5th grade through a non profit I worked for as a side gig. This kid has a linked in profile that he's been curating since he was in 8th grade, with 40+awards and recognitions, and 7 years of experience as a tutor listed on his resume. He will literally graduate from college with 12 years of experience to apply for entry level jobs. He's been a theater technician at his local theater, a part of the dallas children's choir, he has 6 different certifications for coding, matlab, and music that he really earned from organizations to flesh out his resume. He has goddamn featured articles about him from some of the non profits he worked to get organized for his campus to use as fundraising tools that he features at the top of his profile. He went to a science fair hosted at a local research hospital, where the researchers who worked there acted as judges for the competition. It's a great event, I worked in organizing portions of it, but it's generally just a "get kids interested in STEM" kind of things. This kid made a connection with a judge whom he now lists as a mentor and who wrote a letter of recommendation, also featured on his linkedin page, alongside 3 other rec letters from a former teacher, a graduated peer who runs a nonprofit, and a VP from an internship he had at lowe's.

If all that isn't enough, this kid created a registered nonprofit as a sophomore to provide tutoring services to low income families. He has a 4.2 GPA. He's a unique kid who probably still has a longshot of getting into Harvard.

Of what I've seen of this generation? They work way harder to achieve way less because they are facing a much more overpopulated and underfunded world. But their work ethics are fine.

BFD, you know one kid who is outstanding. That's awesome for him and I applaud his efforts. I hope he gets a super job and moves up quickly as it sounds like he's the sort of material most companies need/want. So because he's a rock star, all the rest are super fantastic. For every story you have of that one kid, there are many more of kids that are the opposite. You also make it sound like I'm blaming the kids. I'm not, it's the parents and their environment. IDGAF if you don't want to get a job because of a pandemic. Get one anyway, you're not going to die if you're a healthy young person. Get the vaccine. Stop using excuses for poor behavior or low standards. Everyone has issues, OMG, welcome to life. There are plenty of people who are working; would you tell them to quit their jobs so they can stop paying their rent just because the President used his Kingly authority and put a moratorium on evictions and there's a pandemic? So you say that a ton of these jobs are "shit tier", that means that the rest of them are not. Go get one of those. If you can't because you don't have the experience or skill, then get one of the entry level jobs and work your way up. It's hard to have morals and values. It's easy to make excuses. Go cry me a river. You worked in education; that means nothing to me unless I saw what or the way you taught. So you worked in whatever school system; I guess that means only you have legitimacy to transfer your experience across the country while others cannot. Especially in light of CRT and all that strangeness going on, too many schools suck. Too many teachers/schools want to indoctrinate kids on what to think rather than how. And it's a shame because there are a lot of great teachers out there (most of them) that we really love around here.

It truly shows how ignorant you are about reality when you think the truly rich don't pay their fair share. You should be embarrassed to be an educator.

Guess we've just ruined this thread for everyone. It'll no doubt get shut down now. Sorry everyone.

 

[Ratiogear]

No, I know lots of kids who are outstanding, and I know at least ten thousand more than you. So my experience and anecdotal bullshit are way more statistically significant and valuable than your drivel about some kids you worked with.

Since you're apparently right at the top of the bell curve (go ahead and explain what you think CRT or 'all that strangeness' is), here's why I mention my experience:

You: This generation is lazy and the problem is their work ethic, I know because I worked with lots of them.
Me: I've worked with literally over ten thousand kids directly, and I can confidently say that your experience doesn't track with what I've seen of a much larger sample size. Here's one example, but I know tons more.
You: No, "For every story you have of that one kid, there are many more of kids that are the opposite"

 

[halljam]

Did you seriously just say "overpopulated world"?? You do realize that there is enough land mass in TX to give nearly every living person in America an acre of land, right? Then there's the rest of America.... (Approximately 1.9 billion acres)

That's more than a little disingenuous.

And what about the resources / materials required to extend our infrastructure into the (largely) inhospitable land you speak of? Completely out of the question.

Resources available per person is only decreasing, hence overpopulated world.

Nobody is suggesting to go full Thanos.

 

[JSFoster75]

Yea and enough food production to easily provide for everyone as well. That isn't how the world works though, but by all means, counter the facts around lack of career opportunity, competitiveness of the job market for young professionals, and the increasing concentration of wealth in the hands of the ultrarich with some bullshit about landmass ?



You're full of it. What do you know about this generation besides what social media tells you about them? Exactly how many of this generation do you know, and then, how many do you actually know, well enough to make a judgement on their work ethic?

I wasn't addressing how the world works, what I was addressing was you George Soros minded comment about "Overpopulation"...

 

[CivilJeep]

And what happens to all those toxic batteries at their end of life? Is that the next crisis we will need to throw money at?

One interesting thing that's being done with batteries that no longer have the performance capabilities for vehicles is to use them for home and solar backup. I realize this only shifts the end of life out, but it's a great way for hospitals, homes, etc to have a backup power supply, and reuse them in a practical way.

 

[Jank4AU]

You're full of it. What do you know about this generation besides what social media tells you about them? Exactly how many of this generation do you know, and then, how many do you actually know, well enough to make a judgement on their work ethic?

Talk about full of it - check your math and comments. You first said you worked with 10's of thousands, then you say 10,000 kids over 8 years with 35 kids per class, max. Lets say each class has 35 kids, and you have 6 periods a day, that 210 kids per school year. First, with 35 kids you wouldn't be able to control that class. Then, it would take you over 47 years to work with 10,000 kids.

Let's say you worked in multiple schools and traveled around to spread your awesomeness at 5 different schools. If you split your time between 5 different schools that's 1050 kids per year. That would take you 9.5 years to "get to know" 10,000 kids. Rubbish. Like you spent so much time you're intimately aware of each and every one of them. What a joke. How much of the ones you tout in your experience do you actually know? There's not enough time in the day to get to actually know them. Go toot your horn somewhere else.

Look, @Ratiogear - you're probably a nice enough guy and I don't think either of us are going to change the other's mind. Do we agree on that?

So to bring this conversation back around, what do you think needs to happen to get us in a place where more people are ready, able, and willing to adopt EV technology? And feel free to correct my math above, I obviously don't know you so please forgive me. Let's put an end to the nastiness.

 

[Jank4AU]

One interesting thing that's being done with batteries that no longer have the performance capabilities for vehicles is to use them for home and solar backup. I realize this only shifts the end of life out, but it's a great way for hospitals, homes, etc to have a backup power supply, and reuse them in a practical way.

I'm excited to see where Nuclear Battery technology goes. That's the future of boundless battery power:
Battery powered by nuclear waste 'will run for 28,000 years' (msn.com)

 

[Ratiogear]

I wasn't addressing how the world works, what I was addressing was you George Soros minded comment about "Overpopulation"...

What the fuck does "george soros minded" even mean? Overpopulation is a real issue considering our development, infrastructure, and jobs market hasn't kept up. Especially with jank bringing underemployed into the conversation.

Talk about full of it - check your math and comments. You first said you worked with 10's of thousands, then you say 10,000 kids over 8 years with 35 kids per class, max. Lets say each class has 35 kids, and you have 6 periods a day, that 210 kids per school year. First, with 35 kids you wouldn't be able to control that class. Then, it would take you over 47 years to work with 10,000 kids.

Let's say you worked in multiple schools and traveled around to spread your awesomeness at 5 different schools. If you split your time between 5 different schools that's 1050 kids per year. That would take you 9.5 years to "get to know" 10,000 kids. Rubbish. Like you spent so much time you're intimately aware of each and every one of them. What a joke. How much of the ones you tout in your experience do you actually know? There's not enough time in the day to get to actually know them. Go toot your horn somewhere else.

Look, @Ratiogear - you're probably a nice enough guy and I don't think either of us are going to change the other's mind. Do we agree on that?

So to bring this conversation back around, what do you think needs to happen to get us in a place where more people are ready, able, and willing to adopt EV technology? And feel free to correct my math above, I obviously don't know you so please forgive me. Let's put an end to the nastiness.

Because you asked:

1000-1500 kids per grade level, because Texas and especially DFW does a great job at building high schools for growing populations. I taught every single one of them and knew them by name, and knew enough about them to help them figure out their next steps in life. I knew the lots of their parents by name, with some getting the sessions during after prior or during 2 'zero hour' sessions for 7AM classes.

I taught 'symposium' style in 2 month sessions to hit every freshman class about college and career readiness for 3 years part time split with others while I was also handling full time English teaching, where I did take about 6 classes a day on CCR and another 6 doing English, and then 5 years full time CCR with 9 classes a day (zero hour, 8 periods, after hours, 1 period off mid day) when the program saw results. I didn't do that work alone, but it was team teaching meaning we were all working with all the students. After those roles that I worked as an interventionist while still unofficially managing that program, meaning I supported 600 kids per year in small group sessions, while still having to sub in the CCR program for partial or full days 3-4 times a week. Then afterschool classes and prep courses as an academic counselor/program director. This is all just kids I worked directly with, it doesn't include kids who I interacted with daily during lunch or dismissal or class events when I served as a class sponsor for multiple different graduating classes.

Then there's the NPO work I did during that same period of time, where I did much of the same CCR work, but more focused on financial aid resources and scholarship opportunities, which supported a much larger area. I'll admit that over 10,000 is definitely the "resume" numbers, but the actual number of kids in the course over my time as a teacher in it was ~11,800, with another 5400 at my NPO. I did sit down to do the math on those numbers just before covid when I was applying for a new position, since numbers speak to results. I collected all my little end of year notes and gifts in a shoebox each year. I've got 7 of those shoeboxes between my closet and office. I know the tail end millenials and early zoomers better than almost anyone in 'our' generation. And I prefer their work ethic. I know I never had to work so hard in highschool. I was worried about calculus, these kids are worried about AP courses and competitive internships and a thousand different ways to get scholarships and mentorships because college is almost an expectation for any white collar work now, and surprisingly not everyone wants to do blue collar work, especially when their parents break their backs to give them that opportunity to do otherwise.


And I think the core reason why I bring that up is because when agitators who, on the surface, want to dismantle the welfare system because "muh fair share" start making up bullshit numbers like those studies that took the hypothetical maximums instead of studying real world recipients, the end result is more issues for the education system to absorb. Childcare, counseling, social services, food programs, surprise! daycare when parents don't pick up. But working with kids, I'd rather pay my fair share and let 60% of unemployment benefits go to long term abusers than to let even a tiny number of kids go without access. Or they'll end up being the next generation of system abusers and the problem perpetuates. (ib4 BUT YOU GOT A 4XE, TAX CREDIT MOOCHER LOLOL--7500 is quite a small 1 time number compared to my total taxes, every year)

I just can't get behind the idea that systemic issues and people suffering is 'okay' because they haven't worked for better. No one is saying to give them a new iphone and a tesla and steak dinners. But the world isn't as easy as people like to pretend it is for these people on welfare, and the only way to reduce the numbers of these people is to either kill the poor or to forgive their shittiness so that their kids get a shot. Or y'know, take 10% of the richest 400 american's wealth and make a huge shift that allows for generational wealth akin to the GI bill.


I'm fine to let the nastiness die, but I'm not bullshitting you. Take my experience as evidence if you can; these issues with welfare aren't nearly as large as conservative outlets would have you believe, and not nearly as non-issue as liberal outlets would either.


To your question: I think that we aren't far from widespread EV adoption. 87% of the US lives in metropolitan areas. Infrastructure week will help, but adding EV charging to grocery stores, targets, walmarts, etc. alongside apartments is step 1

 

[Jank4AU]

What the fuck does "george soros minded" even mean? Overpopulation is a real issue considering our development, infrastructure, and jobs market hasn't kept up. Especially with jank bringing underemployed into the conversation.

Because you asked:

1000-1500 kids per grade level, because Texas and especially DFW does a great job at building high schools for growing populations. I taught every single one of them and knew them by name, and knew enough about them to help them figure out their next steps in life. I knew the lots of their parents by name, with some getting the sessions during after prior or during 2 'zero hour' sessions for 7AM classes.

I taught 'symposium' style in 2 month sessions to hit every freshman class about college and career readiness for 3 years part time split with others while I was also handling full time English teaching, where I did take about 6 classes a day on CCR and another 6 doing English, and then 5 years full time CCR with 9 classes a day (zero hour, 8 periods, after hours, 1 period off mid day) when the program saw results. I didn't do that work alone, but it was team teaching meaning we were all working with all the students. After those roles that I worked as an interventionist while still unofficially managing that program, meaning I supported 600 kids per year in small group sessions, while still having to sub in the CCR program for partial or full days 3-4 times a week. Then afterschool classes and prep courses as an academic counselor/program director. This is all just kids I worked directly with, it doesn't include kids who I interacted with daily during lunch or dismissal or class events when I served as a class sponsor for multiple different graduating classes.

Then there's the NPO work I did during that same period of time, where I did much of the same CCR work, but more focused on financial aid resources and scholarship opportunities, which supported a much larger area. I'll admit that over 10,000 is definitely the "resume" numbers, but the actual number of kids in the course over my time as a teacher in it was ~11,800, with another 5400 at my NPO. I did sit down to do the math on those numbers just before covid when I was applying for a new position, since numbers speak to results. I collected all my little end of year notes and gifts in a shoebox each year. I've got 7 of those shoeboxes between my closet and office. I know the tail end millenials and early zoomers better than almost anyone in 'our' generation. And I prefer their work ethic. I know I never had to work so hard in highschool. I was worried about calculus, these kids are worried about AP courses and competitive internships and a thousand different ways to get scholarships and mentorships because college is almost an expectation for any white collar work now, and surprisingly not everyone wants to do blue collar work, especially when their parents break their backs to give them that opportunity to do otherwise.


And I think the core reason why I bring that up is because when agitators who, on the surface, want to dismantle the welfare system because "muh fair share" start making up bullshit numbers like those studies that took the hypothetical maximums instead of studying real world recipients, the end result is more issues for the education system to absorb. Childcare, counseling, social services, food programs, surprise! daycare when parents don't pick up. But working with kids, I'd rather pay my fair share and let 60% of unemployment benefits go to long term abusers than to let even a tiny number of kids go without access. Or they'll end up being the next generation of system abusers and the problem perpetuates.

I just can't get behind the idea that systemic issues and people suffering is 'okay' because they haven't worked for better. No one is saying to give them a new iphone and a tesla and steak dinners. But the world isn't as easy as people like to pretend it is for these people on welfare, and the only way to reduce the numbers of these people is to either kill the poor or to forgive their shittiness so that their kids get a shot. Or y'know, take 10% of the richest 400 american's wealth and make a huge shift that allows for generational wealth akin to the GI bill.


I'm fine to let the nastiness die, but I'm not bullshitting you. Take my experience as evidence if you can; these issues with welfare aren't nearly as large as conservative outlets would have you believe, and not nearly as non-issue as liberal outlets would either.


To your question: I think that we aren't far from widespread EV adoption. 87% of the US lives in metropolitan areas. Infrastructure week will help, but adding EV charging to grocery stores, targets, walmarts, etc. alongside apartments is step 1

Thanks, bro. I appreciate your work with our youth. I really do. And your insights. The work I do is with private schools, Christian schools, universities, hospitals, and non-profits. We do feasibility studies, board training, and capital campaigns, etc. We actually work with schools in the DFW area and I used to live in Garland. If I'm ever in the DFW I'll hit you up for a beer summit. I hope you have a good weekend.

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