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p0300 & 000a, misfires, occasional knocks

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I have been reading through the forums and have gleaned a lot from everyone and am looking forward to tackling this "common" issue. Thank you for everyone who has written about these issues and others!

Background:
I started having a random issue over a year ago. All of a sudden, while driving it stuttered/hesitated for a brief moment and then ran rough (CEL, auto start disabled, etc). I pulled over restarted and it didn't have issues and finished trip ok. got home and had it randomly (weeks or more in between) occur thereafter and had my code reader then for the two codes p0300 and p000a. They would come up with a stutter and rough running and resume normal operations.

Took it into the dealership and I had just gotten laid off due to corp acquisition, so didn't have discretionary money for them to dig deep into it (their notes are attached as images). They told me I could keep driving it as it was sporadic, not overheating, etc. It has since started getting worse to the point where it happens at the start of a drive, can restart the engine, may do it a couple of times, and then it runs fine. Usually seems to trigger with that transition at 3k rpm when the oil pressure changes from 30 to 80... Can occur going up or down in RPM. While its occurring, I can shift to neutral and rev it up fine w/o issue, so exhibited more under load. Usually is a thunk/stutter, CEL, and then rough running/loss of power/mis-fire. Once it gets warm (I am assuming?) it runs fine... granted I'm not on it hard to stress it.

I have also had some knocking occur more recently as well... which sounds like the beloved Rocker arms / cams. Again not consistent... but I definitely had a fairly loud occurrence of it today during one of the misfire occurrences... I am driving my XJ now till I resolve it.

The initial random component almost seemed to lean towards a partial clog? Can that cause a knocking as well? Or is rocker/cam going to be a separate issue.. or both intertwined? Which the mis-fire goes away as it warms up and flows through a clog "more better".

I've done hot oil changes. The tech did a VVT swap (see service notes attached). I've seen the recommendations to get after the intake phaser, oil control valve, and camshaft... and I've seen mentioned that it can get a head or full engine issue (in rare cases).

Questions:
1) Clog, rockers/cam, OCV/Phaser? Obviously I will see more when I open it up (to answer "some" of that).
1A) Can you "see" issues with the OCV/Phaser, sans the "ball"?
2) How do those all play together into an intermittent issue? Granted its occurring more often now.
3) Should I invest in the Jscan before starting the adventure or just get after it?
4) What escalates it to a head or full engine?
5) Sell it down the river after its repaired? Am losing faith in this thing as I was over the yearly allowance and under the mileage allowance (which I have seen others have same issue), so not sure I want to have a continual issue. I also learned way after the fact that I could have maybe gotten some "assistance" form Customer Care if I had reached out to them after my initial visit, but now its too late.
6) what is the "kinda strange" the tech is talking about with oil pressure and pump turning off... it seems like when I watch the guages, it goes from 30-80 normally right about 3k rpm.

Jeep Wrangler JL p0300 & 000a, misfires, occasional knocks JGC 1


Jeep Wrangler JL p0300 & 000a, misfires, occasional knocks JGC 2
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I responded to OP's DM about this, but I figured I'd just copy paste it here in case others ran into a similar problem:

Hey there, take a gander at the following chart as it might provide some assistance going forward.
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*Generally* this issue ends up with a phaser, OCV, and cam replacement. In this case you're looking at the right bank's intake cam. The rockers etc aren't part of the issue. The easy thing is to swap the VVT actuators from that affected cam with another one on the opposite bank, but it seems the dealer already did so. The oil pressure numbers seem fine, and if they were an issue you'd have problems or more than just the one bank. If the issue doesn't chase the actuator then there's a few things you can do before replacing the components:

1. Get the engine oil HOT (drive on the highway in 4th gear or so) and change the oil + use an OEM filter
2. Using Jscan (or wi-tech) run the VVT cleaning routine under PCM Misc functions a few times on all 4 actuators.

We've had some some success with the oil change/cleaning routine in the past. It's cheap and a lot easier than replacing the phaser/ocv/cam. If the p000a continues to come back then it's probably one of those components. The actual "slow response" test is outline in the below picture. JScan can probably get the data readouts required for you.

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I responded to OP's DM about this, but I figured I'd just copy paste it here in case others ran into a similar problem:

Hey there, take a gander at the following chart as it might provide some assistance going forward.
1743570332743-hr.webp


*Generally* this issue ends up with a phaser, OCV, and cam replacement. In this case you're looking at the right bank's intake cam. The rockers etc aren't part of the issue. The easy thing is to swap the VVT actuators from that affected cam with another one on the opposite bank, but it seems the dealer already did so. The oil pressure numbers seem fine, and if they were an issue you'd have problems or more than just the one bank. If the issue doesn't chase the actuator then there's a few things you can do before replacing the components:

1. Get the engine oil HOT (drive on the highway in 4th gear or so) and change the oil + use an OEM filter
2. Using Jscan (or wi-tech) run the VVT cleaning routine under PCM Misc functions a few times on all 4 actuators.

We've had some some success with the oil change/cleaning routine in the past. It's cheap and a lot easier than replacing the phaser/ocv/cam. If the p000a continues to come back then it's probably one of those components. The actual "slow response" test is outline in the below picture. JScan can probably get the data readouts required for you.

1743570708609-60.webp

I'm having trouble finding the "VVT cleaning" under PCM on the jscan. Help please
 

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In jscan go to “Adaptation”, then go to “Vehicle Maintenance “, then scroll down and you‘ll see PCM - Exhaust and Intake Phaser Cleaning; follow prompts from there.
 

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OP, did you get this resolved? If so, what was the root cause or the solution to keep the problem from coming back? You may have seen my post earlier about the ongoing P0300 issue on my 3.6.
 
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@PrimeTimeRubicon, my apologies for the delay... been a crazy summer.. no I have not gotten it resolved yet... I had tried selling it as is.. had a couple of bites... then took it down to maybe make it my winter time project.
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