Jeep Recon and Wagoneer EVs may also get ICE engine variants says Jeep CEO [⚠️ ADMIN WARNING: NO POLITICS]

[JAY]

Jeep CEO goes on record saying that the Jeep Recon EV and Wagoneer S Ev may also come in ICE engine variants:

https://www.jeepreconforum.com/foru...-if-opportunities-appear-says-jeep-ceo.10911/

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[Wraith]

About the only way they are going to have any potential for success would be to offer an ICE variant. Recon seems interesting and since they stopped production of the Cherokee I wonder if this would fill that void. Not sure on sizing of the Recon, but from images it looks bigger than the outgoing Cherokee was.

 

[T.Pigott]

Seem's like the auto makers are figuring out that the world isn't quite ready for all-electric.

 

[Wraith]

Seem's like the auto makers are figuring out that the world isn't quite ready for all-electric.

It's interesting watching companies backpedal on the all in EV craze. Loosening mandates have a lot to do with it, but companies like Toyota have been sticking to their hybrid architectures regardless. Curious to see what the next decade has in store.

 

[T.Pigott]

It's interesting watching companies backpedal on the all in EV craze. Loosening mandates have a lot to do with it, but companies like Toyota have been sticking to their hybrid architectures regardless. Curious to see what the next decade has in store.

Yeah, those hybrids sell like crazy. Even 4xe's sell well. That's the logical first step towards electrification.
But I'll stick with gasoline as long as I can.

 

[Wraith]

Yeah, those hybrids sell like crazy. Even 4xe's sell well. That's the logical first step towards electrification.
But I'll stick with gasoline as long as I can.

Agreed

 

[ObiMatt87]

Read the other day that the nation has about 3.3M EVs here in 2024 vs. 296M total on the road. Seems like it'll be a while before EVs are the standard...

It's the cart before the horse: Until you have the infrastructure to support, some way of truly fast-charging (I mean, REALLY fast-charging where I'm not hanging out for hours waiting to charge up...), the range is extended to a minimum standard 500 miles, the cost drops to make them realistically affordable, and the issue with batteries (life expectancy, crazy cost of replacement, recycling plan) is worked out we will be on ICEs for a good while longer. I'm all in if all that is worked out, but in the meantime, I'll stick with gas.

 

[2nd 392]

Near term— “hybrid cars retake the limelight as ev sales slow” - Investors Business Daily. Several similar articles including one today about Ford re targeting hybrids, charts showing ev sales declining, hybrid sales increasing. Example— “During the first quarter, Toyota’s overall sales jumped 21.3%. But within that number sales of the hybrid Camry soared 142.7% vs an overall Camry sales increase of 18.6%.”
long term to be determined. But there are the new 27 thru 32 standards to be met.

 

[ObiMatt87]

Near term— “hybrid cars retake the limelight as ev sales slow” - Investors Business Daily. Several similar articles including one today about Ford re targeting hybrids, charts showing ev sales declining, hybrid sales increasing. Example— “During the first quarter, Toyota’s overall sales jumped 21.3%. But within that number sales of the hybrid Camry soared 142.7% vs an overall Camry sales increase of 18.6%.”
long term to be determined.

Exactly. I think the stepping stone is hybrids while we as a nation slowly grown the infrastructure and improve the capability of the vehicles. We'll get there, but the green people just need to be patient as we transition several industries...

 

[2nd 392]

Exactly. I think the stepping stone is hybrids while we as a nation slowly grown the infrastructure and improve the capability of the vehicles. We'll get there, but the green people just need to be patient as we transition several industries...

The green people don’t like the new 27–32 standards allowing less than half the CO2 and increases fleet mpg to over 50 mpg. It doesn’t go far enough for them.

 

[Wulfgott]

I believe the wind is starting to die down on those sails that were propelling the "everything electric by tomorrow" mindset on the corporate side as it is just not a sustainable idea for a company in the time frame that blind politicians and advocacy groups are demanding. Companies have a fiduciary responsibility to be profitable to their investors.

Too many people that require vehicles just to get by just in the performance of their daily jobs can not afford the outrageous prices they cost.

What is an electric work truck looking like for pricing? 60+K minimum.

Give me a gas guzzler work truck for hauling or working any day that is cheaper to run and will work hard without 2-4 hour downtimes for a recharge minimum.

The focus should be on moving to hybrids over the next 20-30 years... then as the technology for full electric gets better... start moving towards that AFTER 2050... instead of mandating you do this or that now. People don't respond well to being forced to do something when there is no true benefit to them in the now. For many, the now and next day not next year is all that matters.

 

[Dryver]

These threads always elicit all the same response. Blah blah blah...

 

[Opus]

I have resigned myself to the fact that this is likely my last vehicle to run on dinosaur juice. I, for one, welcome our new electric overlords... The pushback against EVs is partly because supply has outstripped the infrastructure needed to keep the vehicles on the road.

I am gambling that by the time I shop for my next Jeep (in six years or so) a charge from 0-100% will take 15 minutes or less, the range will be 400 miles and charging stations will be much more plentiful than they are now. We'll see...

 

[Oncorhynchus]

When Eisenhower got the interstate highway system construction started, the GDP of the USA was $474B. The construction cost of the highway system was $114B or the equivalent of 24% of GDP.

Could you imagine today, the federal government embarking on a $6T (24% of GDP) infrastructure project?

The $114B in 1957 dollars is like $618B today. Could you imagine our govt spending >$600B on an EV infrastructure project today?

The TARP bailout of the 2008 financial crisis cost the government $443B in up front costs but eventually with repayments from the rescued entities the net cost was $31B.

I share these figures as benchmarks against which we have to view the order of magnitude of the investments needed to drive a true EV revolution.

Currently we do not have enough buy-in across the populace to be able to get the feds to make that level of infrastructure investment.

The smart thing for STLA is to develop vehicle platforms that can support ICE, hybrid or electric propulsion. Not easy to do but the car companies will eventually figure it out.

 

[D0NUT]

the range is extended to a minimum standard 500 miles,

My Jeep doesn't have a 500 mile range.

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