Youtube video of 4XE blowing it's roof off.

[AndySpill]

Although I'm not a trained fire fighter nor does one video summarize all the happened, I thought the fire fighter's proximity, not to mention that of what appears to be a civilian holding an umbrella, was foolishly close.

An automobile, irrespective of its method of propulsion, by definition self contains a power plant that stores enough energy that when on fire of unknown intensity or source, warrants its flames to be dealt with from a distance.

Fire can compromise flammable fuel lines trigerring an explosion, or in the case of a battery, heat that battery to the point of it producing additional chemical reactions, that themselves give off heat, that catalyze yet further chemical reactions etc. in a rapidly evolving vicious cycle ((thermal runaway.)

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[THAW]

Why? Did Jeep stop selling the versions 20 times more likely to catch on fire? No. You can still buy a gasser.

The first time the 20X claim could be attributed to misunderstanding. Now, it's just a lie.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Model Y saving us $500/mo in gas costs v when my wife had an Acura MDX. 3 kids, 3 dif schools, 6 dif sports.

Charging is literally free.... 14.4kW solar in San Diego. Those savings plus 0 cost to run the AC all summer paid the solar off in 20 months. sdge is the most expensive utility in the US. Bill was like 850 a month. It's like $30 now....just some non bypassable charges.

With anything...run the #s. EVs often pay for themselves if you drive a lot.

Yea, I went from buying a tank of gas every week with my previous Wrangler, to buying a tank of gas 4x a year with the 4xe, so about 50+ fill ups to 4, pure insanity, then I charge for free at public chargers near me.

Honestly if someone gave me free gas, I would have considered buying a 392, but I would miss the Max Regen.

Jeep's design of this hybrid systems in the 4xe is amazing, even if you don't want to drive pure electric, the thing pumps out 470 lbs of torque, the bump in price for the 4xe is pretty much the same as buying a turbo to add to an existing Wrangler, and that's if you install the turbo yourself, and even then you are not going to get 470 lbs of torque and the other fun bits of the 4xe.

 

[PatriotX]

The first time the 20X claim could be attributed to misunderstanding. Now, it's just a lie.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...ency,include arson, making comparisons tricky.

Amended to 17.89 times. My goodness, you appear fragile.

 

[Manapeppa]

These threads are funny.

First of all, a 4Xe is a hybrid, not an EV. It’s an inefficient hybrid.

Second is anyone calling a Wrangler 4Xe “a superior form of transportation” makes me laugh. It’s a Jeep, hardly superior.

You must not know about that fourth electric mode that runs off the All spark.

 

[THAW]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/nov/20/do-electric-cars-pose-a-greater-fire-risk-than-petrol-or-diesel-vehicles#:~:text=The Swedish Civil Contingencies Agency,include arson, making comparisons tricky.

Amended to 17.89 times. My goodness, you appear fragile.

Is promoting accuracy fragile? Or is fragility repeatedly misrepresenting data and evangelizing misinformation?

If one analyzed the studies mentioned in the articles one linked instead of blindly accepting article writers' sensational claims, one might learn Swedish BEVs (all electric) were 1.9X MORE likely to catch fire than P/HEVs (with gas motors/tanks) in 2022.

 

[pablo_max3045]

Model Y saving us $500/mo in gas costs v when my wife had an Acura MDX. 3 kids, 3 dif schools, 6 dif sports.

Charging is literally free.... 14.4kW solar in San Diego. Those savings plus 0 cost to run the AC all summer paid the solar off in 20 months. sdge is the most expensive utility in the US. Bill was like 850 a month. It's like $30 now....just some non bypassable charges.

With anything...run the #s. EVs often pay for themselves if you drive a lot.

Similar for us, but it was due to the taxes you need to pay for a company car. It's based on the msrp of the car, so for my wifes V90, we paid almost 600 bucks a month.
Since I am in Germany, we naturally do not have your 340 days of sun per year and very short winter days. We do however have a virtual battery and a large battery in the basement.
The rate at which the power company will pay you for input into the grid is like 10% of what you pay to extract power from them.
With the virtual battery they do not pay you anything, but what ever you put into the grid is counted as a credit you take out later 1 to 1. So, we make enough in the summer to cover all of power needs for the winter months.
Gas is not a factor for us though since that was paid by the company.

It honestly blows my mind how anti-solar and anti-EV a certain segment of the American population is. It is literally the closest you can get to self sufficiency in today's world. Power you own home without needed a power company, so your lights stay on when everyone else is dark.
Plus, you get something like an F150 EV which you can charge up with your solar system and in the worst case, that truck will power the essentials in your house for a week.
It's nothing to do with the Enviro-Mental-ists. I personally don't care too much about the global warming stuff. Yeah, I think we've got to stop polluting the place, but solar is a no brainer. It's basic economics!
EV's still only make sense in niche cases though. But that will change soon.

 

[Tncdrew]

Back to the original topic of this thread...
The more you know, the better you can assess your risk. (Just an FYI)

 

[PatriotX]

Back to the original topic of this thread...
The more you know, the better you can assess your risk. (Just an FYI)

If you’re going to try and scare people, at least try and use pics of the actual hardware they’re supposed to fear.

I know you can troll better than that.

« FYI »

 

[Dale's Jeep]

This is what "the people " wanted. I wanna help save the planet ? ? ? ?.

 

[Tncdrew]

If you’re going to try and scare people, at least try and use pics of the actual hardware they’re supposed to fear.

I know you can troll better than that.

« FYI »

So, aside from all the ridiculous remarks you just posted, are you saying thermal runaway is not a thing?
And the risk of such a phenomenon doesn't exist in a case such as a collision involving a BEV?
Interesting.

 

[Tncdrew]

My favorite is the video of the Tesla driver on a Florida boat ramp who's car (with trailer attached), suddenly started smoking, then went into thermal runaway.
Apparently he had been launching a jetski for some time with it. Over time saltwater had seeped into the battery assembly, and had caused corrosion.
Saltwater corrosion & high current lithium batteries... not a great combination.

Brilliant!

 

[DewHawk]

My favorite is the video of the Tesla driver on a Florida boat ramp who's car (with trailer attached), suddenly started smoking, then went into thermal runaway.
Apparently he had been launching a jetski for some time with it. Over time saltwater had seeped into the battery assembly, and had caused corrosion.
Saltwater corrosion & high current lithium batteries... not a great combination.

Brilliant!

So he was attempting to convert his pack into a sodium ion battery? Damn...that's impressive.

I'd honestly be more nervous about water intrusion with the Grand Cherokee 4xe's than ours. Keeping the pack in the cabin might not be the 'safest' idea, but at least it's in a cool dry area away from the elements. Ever since the 4xe blew out the garage door here in Erie, I've kept a fire extinguisher in the back of mine. It might not save it, but at least it'll give me enough time to get it clear of anyone/anything that it could cause damage or harm to if it decides to let go spectacularly. I work around explosives A LOT with my job in the USAF. Riding around with 'potentially' one behind me everyday just doesn't bother me, especially given the risk percentage is so low. ?‍

 

[AnnDee4444]

LOL @3:04 "they're not really sure what they're putting water on"










Edit: This isn't limited to electric vehicles either. Here's how to make your 3.6/diesel do the same thing: https://antigravitybatteries.com/products/starter-batteries/automotive/ag-h7-rs/

 

[Tncdrew]

Yet another example of the 4Xe's "Superiority" ?
Apparently, Stellantis puts your family's safety first?

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