Youtube video of 4XE blowing it's roof off.

[ecidiego]

I know, right!
I couldn't agree more. Drive what you want. I just find it weird and hilarious how triggered and defensive these EV evangelists get.
It's all good though

You seem extremely triggered by EVs.....

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[Yogi1956]

When and if the sky falls, I’ll deal with it. Until then, I’ll drive a superior form of transportation.

Any stock picks while you’re at it, Carnac?

 

[Riverjeep]

Ouch!

 

[BXFXJeep]

VW EV sunroof can cause fires, total recall happening

 

[Nailgun]

OK lets settle this...

Seems like EV catch fire a lot less than any other types of cars. However, Hybrids are much worse than any other for catching fire.


What type of cars catch fire the most?

A recent study by US insurer, AutoinsuranceEZ found that hybrid cars had the worst fire record, while EVs were the least likely type of car to catch fire. Hybrid cars had 3474.5 fires per 100,000 sale; petrol cars had 1,529.9 fires per 100,000 sales and EVs had just 25.1 fires per 100,000 sales

The 4XE is a true Hybrid and by your logic....is much more likely to burn in it's lifetime. Thanks for cleaning that up for me.

 

[Yogi1956]

Maybe the lead is buried a bit, 21% below MSRP on a lease then buy it out, 0-60 2nd to just the Hemi, probably never need a brake job and 20+ mpg with little effort and 35-40 mpg if you drive mostly local and solar is another plus if you have it.

I’ve seen lots of car fires but none were EV’s (yes, fewer EV’s in the total) and I put 130,000 miles on my plug in CMax work car with zero explosions/fires.

EV’s not for everyone but my favorite Jeep of the 5 Jeeps we’ve owned previously.

 

[pablo_max3045]

Seen this in my feed today of a parked 4XE battery going nuclear. The hard top gets some real hang time.

Shit.. I know taking the hard top off is a huge pain in the ass, but surely there is a more cost effective way than this.

As an EV owner people often ask me, which EV should I get. Easy. None. Unless you are a niche demographic where the savings are extraordinary, like my current situation, don't buy one right now.
Wait until 2026 - 2028. Several solid state battery packs are nearly their homologation process. It seems to be taking about a year longer than I thought it would, but they are finally starting to roll off a few production lines.
Short term, these batteries will be too expensive, but as things ramp up they will be cheaper than the LiPio batteries.
They are significantly better. 10 minute charge times to full as well. Not LiPo battery "full" where you cannot actually fully charge it. Plus, you can take it to zero with no harm.
Dendrites are also no formed.
This is very important because that is often what starts the thermal runaway on lipo batteries.
Basically, you get conductive arm that grows between in the anode and cathode and creates a short circuit. Then BOOM.
Thermal runaway does not happen in solid state.
Then, good for Jeeps, they are like 1/2 the weight of a lipo cell.
They are good for at least 500k miles.
They can be recycled.
Are EVs fun to drive? Yes. They are also way more relaxing to drive.
Still, there is no way I would buy an EV today as a private car. Wait for proper batteries.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

These threads are funny.

First of all, a 4Xe is a hybrid, not an EV. It’s an inefficient hybrid.

Second is anyone calling a Wrangler 4Xe “a superior form of transportation” makes me laugh. It’s a Jeep, hardly superior. All of us here knew the drawbacks of a Jeep product when it comes to quality, usefulness and efficiency. There are far better forms of “transportation”. Yet here we are, hybrid models or non hybrid. Yes, both are ICE.

No matter which propulsion method your Wrangler has, no one here can defend the practicality of a Wrangler. Almost no one needs a Wrangler, there are far better choices out there for an efficient transportation appliance or a utility vehicle.

But we all, well most of us, have a common love for Jeeps for a variety of reasons. Mostly it’s the cool factor. For nearly every argument for why one buys a Jeep, there is a better vehicle on the market to fit that need. We all know that.

 

[bthomp]

Seems we have a choice: Internal Combustion Engine or External Combustion Engine.

LMAO - Common now, love EV's or hate EV's, that is a FUNNY comment!

 

[1Evil55]

Just drive what you want and don't force me into something I don't want.

 

[Diesel1776]

Friends don't let friends buy electric/hybrid vehicles.

If you own a 4XE, take a good hard look at those around you. It's possible they've added your name to the dead pool

 

[DewHawk]

 

[ecidiego]

Shit.. I know taking the hard top off is a huge pain in the ass, but surely there is a more cost effective way than this.

As an EV owner people often ask me, which EV should I get. Easy. None. Unless you are a niche demographic where the savings are extraordinary, like my current situation, don't buy one right now.
Wait until 2026 - 2028. Several solid state battery packs are nearly their homologation process. It seems to be taking about a year longer than I thought it would, but they are finally starting to roll off a few production lines.
Short term, these batteries will be too expensive, but as things ramp up they will be cheaper than the LiPio batteries.
They are significantly better. 10 minute charge times to full as well. Not LiPo battery "full" where you cannot actually fully charge it. Plus, you can take it to zero with no harm.
Dendrites are also no formed.
This is very important because that is often what starts the thermal runaway on lipo batteries.
Basically, you get conductive arm that grows between in the anode and cathode and creates a short circuit. Then BOOM.
Thermal runaway does not happen in solid state.
Then, good for Jeeps, they are like 1/2 the weight of a lipo cell.
They are good for at least 500k miles.
They can be recycled.
Are EVs fun to drive? Yes. They are also way more relaxing to drive.
Still, there is no way I would buy an EV today as a private car. Wait for proper batteries.

Model Y saving us $500/mo in gas costs v when my wife had an Acura MDX. 3 kids, 3 dif schools, 6 dif sports.

Charging is literally free.... 14.4kW solar in San Diego. Those savings plus 0 cost to run the AC all summer paid the solar off in 20 months. sdge is the most expensive utility in the US. Bill was like 850 a month. It's like $30 now....just some non bypassable charges.

With anything...run the #s. EVs often pay for themselves if you drive a lot.

 

[2nd 392]

These threads are funny.

First of all, a 4Xe is a hybrid, not an EV. It’s an inefficient hybrid.

Second is anyone calling a Wrangler 4Xe “a superior form of transportation” makes me laugh. It’s a Jeep, hardly superior. All of us here knew the drawbacks of a Jeep product when it comes to quality, usefulness and efficiency. There are far better forms of “transportation”. Yet here we are, hybrid models or non hybrid. Yes, both are ICE.

No matter which propulsion method your Wrangler has, no one here can defend the practicality of a Wrangler. Almost no one needs a Wrangler, there are far better choices out there for an efficient transportation appliance or a utility vehicle.

But we all, well most of us, have a common love for Jeeps for a variety of reasons. Mostly it’s the cool factor. For nearly every argument for why one buys a Jeep, there is a better vehicle on the market to fit that need. We all know that.

Precisely - In a lifetime of vehicles since my first in 1968 I have owned 1 “Transportation” vehicle. I found the wife a wanted Camry, but even then I extensively searched for a rare V6 Coupe, otherwise Muscle Cars, Jeeps- even a couple Muscle Jeeps , 4WD’s PU’s, and a couple Classics. No boring “Transportation” for me. No- No Thank You ….. was driving the Jeep off road since ~ 65…. Took the bus prior, never liked it, don’t want a “bus” equivalent vehicle.

 

[Pig-Pen]

#1 priority for us wasthe carpool lane. It saves my wife a lot of time from sitting in traffic across LA. Over the 100 miles a day.

was just reading some scary out of warranty costs on the pacifica forum for the hybrids. $20k for a new trans?! Not sure if 4xe is similar.
We already had ours fail under warranty. Luckily we bought the longest available extended warranty. Shes already half way their with mileage. The van will go before the warranty is up! Thats for sure. Dont need a money pit out of warranry. Prius may be the next car for her.

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