Wrecked new Rubi today. At least Rubicon is tough!

[bbq4133]

Is it me or do more people run red lights now than they did say 20 years ago? Almost daily I see someone blatantly go through one with zero fuks given.

It's the phones. Folks are just too distracted.

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[Headbarcode]

Is it me or do more people run red lights now than they did say 20 years ago? Almost daily I see someone blatantly go through one with zero fuks given.

No, your perfectly correct with your observation. It continues to worsen as the years pass. If it's not phone distraction, it's people's need to rush to nowhere. That leads me to mention another thing that's changing as time passes, which is peoples growing lack of patience.

 

[viper88]

Is it me or do more people run red lights now than they did say 20 years ago? Almost daily I see someone blatantly go through one with zero fuks given.

Definitely. People run stop signs and red lights a lot more now in Chicago. Running lights is the least of our problems in Chicago.

 

[Shots]

It's a shame too because the outdoor life up there is phenomenal. Hunting, fish and hiking are amazing, and that's not even getting into winter sports, or water sports. It's a shame they're state government is so jacked up.

I know neck damage from accidents is a real thing, and I do consider myself lucky. But a collision at 5~10MPH causing lifelong damage? what are we made of glass!? I am not saying it isnt true, it is just so bizarre! how is it even possible?

It is bizarre, but the biggest difference in your examples, and the one in question is the direction of the force. The friend was struck from behind, so the body moves forward with the vehicle/seat. However, the head (following Newton's laws of motion) will "stay at rest" as the body accelerate forward. This essentially "whips" the head back. In contrast a frontal impact will cause the body to stop with the vehicle and seat belt, while the head continues forward.
The big difference being the head/neck experiencing an abrupt forward movement versus an abrupt rearward movement.

So on the topic of whiplash. Consider this a PSA.
The headrest on your seat is NOT a head rest. It's not intended to be a pillow, or a place to lean your melon while you're stuck in traffic.
What it is is a head restraint. The purpose of the head restraint is to prevent that abrupt rearward motion. A properly adjusted head restraint will be at a height (and angle if that's adjustable depending on the vehicle) to be nearly touching your head when you're in a normal driving position. When set properly your head will immediately contact the restraint and be propelled forward with the seat, and your body. This prevents that whip motion, which prevents whiplash.
So, fix your head restraints, and protect your neck. It is NOT a pillow.

 

[m3lover1]

How you feeling today Joe? I've got nothing to add to all this internet legal-shmick, but just wanted to say glad you're "okay" after the accident, and see how ya doing now that it is several days after the accident.

 

[nostatic]

No, your perfectly correct with your observation. It continues to worsen as the years pass. If it's not phone distraction, it's people's need to rush to nowhere. That leads me to mention another thing that's changing as time passes, which is peoples growing lack of patience.

I think it is a combination:

- phones
- lack of patience
- sense of self-importance and entitlement

The last one drives the first two.

Now get off my lawn!

 

[Jerkeejoe]

How you feeling today Joe? I've got nothing to add to all this internet legal-shmick, but just wanted to say glad you're "okay" after the accident, and see how ya doing now that it is several days after the accident.

Thanks! I’m beat up but hoping for a quick recovery.

Salt in the wound today: JTop is out for delivery and tube doors will be delivered tomorrow.

 

[entropy]

Thanks! I’m beat up but hoping for a quick recovery.

Salt in the wound today: JTop is out for delivery and tube doors will be delivered tomorrow.

It is alright. I lost my 2018 JL on a pretty traumatic accident. I know how shitty it is, after the trauma goes away, not having your jeep and all that. Luckily though, things return back to normal pretty quickly and you'll forget about it.

 

[Notorious]

Failure to stop at a red light is an unnecessary and negligent risk. Traffic laws are designed to keep the public safe and prevent wrecks like this from happening.

@Jerkeejoe I’m glad you’re okay even though you’re bruised and in pain. Are you thinking the insurance will total your Jeep or send it to a collision repair center?

 

[Jerkeejoe]

Failure to stop at a red light is an unnecessary and negligent risk. Traffic laws are designed to keep the public safe and prevent wrecks like this from happening.

@Jerkeejoe I’m glad you’re okay even though you’re bruised and in pain. Are you thinking the insurance will total your Jeep or send it to a collision repair center?

Thanks. I appreciate that (and all the other well wishes).

Not sure on the property damage. I actually took it back to the dealer I got it from. They are a Jeep Only dealership and they are going to do all of the work.

They were going to try to get into it today to get a better idea on the damage. They’re pretty much certain the front axle is bent and they think the frame is bent also. I highly doubt they’ll total it since it’s a brand new and would need to have something like $35-40k in damage to be a total loss. The front bumper is toast as is the driver fender. On a quick look, I think several suspension components are also broke. Hopefully I get a much better idea of the scope of the damage tomorrow morning.

 

[Kizzo]

Definitely. People run stop signs and red lights a lot more now in Chicago. Running lights is the least of our problems in Chicago.

I'm in Chicago as well. Even with the red light cameras, folks still ignore the red lights. It's crazy.

 

[Rodeoflyer]

Can you send some pics of the suspension damage (bent axle, parts, etc)? I'd LOVE to see them.

 

[Jerkeejoe]

Can you send some pics of the suspension damage (bent axle, parts, etc)? I'd LOVE to see them.

Sure. When everything is wrapped up with insurance I'll post pics of all the damaged stuff.

 

[Rodeoflyer]

Sure. When everything is wrapped up with insurance I'll post pics of all the damaged stuff.

Thanks!! I'd love to survey the suspension/axle/frame damage from that hit.

 

[rommel102]

I had a similar accident with my TJ.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jl-crash-tests.2780/post-136815

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