Would you get a 4xe again if you could go back in time and do it over again?

[fe731as]

For those of you answering that you don't own a 4xe and never will: why are you reading, much less participating in, a 4xe forum?!

I had a 2023 4xe Sahara as a rental vehicle last week in SoCal. When I picked it up, computer showed 22.6mpg. And the rental companies don't charge the batteries (never got above 1% charge). After a tank refill, I reset the computer to see what it would average...19.7mpg. Because it never saw a full battery charge, it never went more than about 150ft on batteries before the 4cyl kicked in. My daily work commute averaged about 34 miles each way.
Unless you have a way to keep the battery charged (*cheaply) AND don't plan on long drives, I wouldn't consider one. Add to that a reduced range during cold months and that becomes a solid deal-breaker.
*My wife and I have Wrangler Ecodiesels (2020 Sahara & 2023 Rubicon) and average >26mpg. Love the diesels!

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[GinaC]

In New Caney, TX electricity is .15 kWh. That equates to $2.55 of electricity for 25ish miles of driving. Right now you can get gas there for about $2.50/gallon (which gives you about 25ish miles of driving). Unless you have free electric charging, the 4xe "saves gas" but is a wash as far as how much it is costing you in extra electricity.

A lot of 4xe owners think that plugging into their house is free miles while at the same time their electric meter is laughing.

That said, and as I have mentioned before, if your electric rate and gas rate are a wash, the 4xe is giving you more HP and torque and less trips to the gas station for the same price (all of which are a plus). It's just not always saving tons of $$ no matter how much we think it is.

Well, some of us would also like to do our part to keep the air as clean as possible.

 

[us3r1d]

I had a 2023 4xe Sahara as a rental vehicle last week in SoCal.

I keep forgetting that these things are out there as rentals.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

Well, some of us would also like to do our part to keep the air as clean as possible.

Unfortunately, owning a Jeep Wrangler is a very non-eco friendly thing to do, 4xe or not.

 

[GinaC]

Unfortunately, owning a Jeep Wrangler is a very non-eco friendly thing to do, 4xe or not.

And as I always say, "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."

 

[kah.mun.rah]

And as I always say, "Don't let perfect be the enemy of good."

Touche

 

[BXFXJeep]

Unfortunately, owning a Jeep Wrangler is a very non-eco friendly thing to do, 4xe or not.

In the old days the Wrangler was considered eco friendly because it was one of the few vehicles that stayed in service for decades, but now since things went eco is limited to walking and maybe a bicycle

 

[alphawolff]

Unfortunately, owning a Jeep Wrangler is a very non-eco friendly thing to do, 4xe or not.

This. Wasting all this battery material on a brick on wheels is an egregious waste of resources. Trying to mask it as "green" is the definition of an appeal to ignorance.

Toyota said it best. With the material used in a singular BEV vehicle they could make 100 hybrids that all get 60MPG. With the Wrangler we get a car that can do 0 emissions for 20 miles then get 14MPG. Real green there.

 

[BXFXJeep]

With the Wrangler we get a car that can do 0 emissions for 20 miles then get 14MPG. Real green there.

20 miles? it's obvious you don't know how the 4xe works, the 4xe isn't limited to 20 miles, it has a 20 mile electric range, people go many hundred miles, some go thousands of miles before even running the gas engine, 14 mpg is limited use, same as the gas Wranglers, 20-25 mpg is more realistic for the highway, which is when the gas engine would mostly be used.

I'm not sure who is buying these things for emissions, but there is massive benefits to a 4xe if you know what you are buying.

 

[kah.mun.rah]

20 miles? it's obvious you don't know how the 4xe works, the 4xe isn't limited to 20 miles, it has a 20 mile electric range, people go many hundred miles, some go thousands of miles before even running the gas engine, 14 mpg is limited use, same as the gas Wranglers, 20-25 mpg is more realistic for the highway, which is when the gas engine would mostly be used.

I'm not sure who is buying these things for emissions, but there is massive benefits to a 4xe if you know what you are buying.

Unfortunately if I use my 4xe as a "go anywhere, do anything" vehicle (trip to the mountains, trip to the beach, trip to the desert, etc.), I typically don't have the convenience of 20 miles, wait for a charge, 20 miles, wait for a charge, 20 miles, wait for a charge, etc. Which is what I think @alphawolff was referring to.

 

[BXFXJeep]

Unfortunately if I use my 4xe as a "go anywhere, do anything" vehicle (trip to the mountains, trip to the beach, trip to the desert, etc.), I typically don't have the convivence of 20 miles, wait for a charge, 20 miles, wait for a charge, 20 miles, wait for a charge, etc. Which is what I think @alphawolff was referring to.

The typical use of a PHEV is cover the all of your 14 mpg daily driving using the electric range, charging multiple times possibly to keep covering the short daily trips.

Then use gas for the infrequent long go anywhere do anything trips.

A PHEV should never be charged during long trips, there is no need for it, just run gas at 20-25mpg.

People like to conflate the 20 electric city miles with 20+ mpg highway miles, it doesn't work like that.

The 20 electric miles handles the local trips that would be @ 14 mpg, which is where the 49mpge comes in to play.

Aside from the electric driving, the 4xe can be used without charging, and used just for the performance benefits, but that is up to the person buying it to decide how they want to use it, are they buying it for electric driving or for performance, or for both electric and performance,.it's up to them.

I drive a couple hundred miles to the cottage, when I get there plug it in using the 120v and drive around town, on the beach etc, if I can't plug it in I don't care, I have gas like any other Wrangler.

The commercials and glossy prints show all electric driving far away from the city, yea, people should know that ain't exactly reality, well sorta, you can E-SAVE Charge and accomplish that, when I'm heading to the cottage, I'll esave charge 30 minutes before I exit the highway, and have enough charge for electric driving a few miles to the cottage on the local roads.

That is the beauty with the 4xe, no charge, no problem, just use gas.

 

[MaskedRacerX]

20 miles? it's obvious you don't know how the 4xe works, the 4xe isn't limited to 20 miles, it has a 20 mile electric range, people go many hundred miles, some go thousands of miles before even running the gas engine, 14 mpg is limited use, same as the gas Wranglers, 20-25 mpg is more realistic for the highway, which is when the gas engine would mostly be used.

I'm not sure who is buying these things for emissions, but there is massive benefits to a 4xe if you know what you are buying.

Imagine quoting Toyota as a reference for anything BEV related

Totally off Jeep topic, but adjacent to BEV offroad capable vehicles: wow, the Scout is really coming together as a pretty spectacular vehicle. Just saw some details about the 40/20/40 rear seat split how the full size lift gate has in interior 1/4 gate (so the pickles don't get broken).

Love our current 4xe, but extremely excited about the next round of options 2-3 years out.

 

[Jeep Wick]

20 miles? it's obvious you don't know how the 4xe works, the 4xe isn't limited to 20 miles, it has a 20 mile electric range, people go many hundred miles, some go thousands of miles before even running the gas engine, 14 mpg is limited use, same as the gas Wranglers, 20-25 mpg is more realistic for the highway, which is when the gas engine would mostly be used.

I'm not sure who is buying these things for emissions, but there is massive benefits to a 4xe if you know what you are buying.

Unless you have solar panels that weren't made in China, your electricity source is just as dirty as anything. The truth is current gas cars are very clean, the majority of polluters come from machines built before 2005.

 

[Sidewalk]

For those of you answering that you don't own a 4xe and never will: why are you reading, much less participating in, a 4xe forum?!

Because it pops up on the "New Posts" option and I ignore the forum it is in.

And since there is a option that applies to me, I assume the OP wants my input.

 

[C.Sco]

I would probably not buy a 4xe again, but not for the same reason as everyone else.

At the time when I bought it, the 4xe was perfect for my circumstances. I was replacing two vehicles with one - trading a hybrid sedan daily driver, and a grand cherokee WK2 weekend car, for a hybrid Wrangler that does both. That worked great for about a year, until I moved MUCH further away from work and my 50 mile daily commute turned into a 130 mile daily commute.

The 4xe is great for a 50 mile (or less) daily commute. It's bloody awful for a 130 mile daily commute. I ended up having to get a second car, again, to use as a daily driver, and making the 4xe my weekend vehicle. And for a weekend-only vehicle, there's no value in it being a 4xe. I might as well have gotten an older JK and saved a buttload of money, or inversely maybe spent more money and gotten a 392, if I had known I'd ultimately never use it for commuting. But I thought I'd be daily-driving it so I wanted something new, with good MPG, and a good warranty, and all that. So in hindsight, knowing now what I didn't know then, I bought totally the wrong vehicle.

That being said, otherwise it's fine, and I'm happy with it. I wish it was a 392 or an older Wrangler instead, but it is what it is, and I still love it and plan to keep it for the long haul. The torque is fantastic, and the silent offroading is a pretty dang enjoyable experience, and I haven't had any of the issues a lot of 4xe owners report.

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