Winches on Mall Crawlers?

OllieChristopher

Well-Known Member
First Name
Chris
Joined
Aug 19, 2021
Messages
721
Reaction score
851
Location
Southern CA
Vehicle(s)
2005 GMC 2WD Sierra, 4.3, NV3500, 3:73/TruTrac
What boggles my mind and I cannot comprehend is why anyone would even buy a Jeep Wrangler and add a winch that never sees off highway? There is zero reason for it.

Since I learned how to drive I have never once purchased or considered a vehicle only to deliberately avoid using it for what is was designed for.

In the dozens of forums and thousands posts not one person has given a reason for this purchasing behavior other than they "like the look".

Even if I was filthy rich with money to burn I could only purchase a vehicle for function and capability.

It's a disservice to clog up a Jeep Wrangler forum with threads such as this one.
Advertisement

 

Yogi1956

Well-Known Member
First Name
George
Joined
Apr 25, 2021
Messages
119
Reaction score
160
Location
Hidden Meadows
Vehicle(s)
2021 Rubicon Unlimited
What boggles my mind and I cannot comprehend is why anyone would even buy a Jeep Wrangler and add a winch that never sees off highway? There is zero reason for it.

Since I learned how to drive I have never once purchased or considered a vehicle only to deliberately avoid using it for what is was designed for.

In the dozens of forums and thousands posts not one person has given a reason for this purchasing behavior other than they "like the look".

Even if I was filthy rich with money to burn I could only purchase a vehicle for function and capability.

It's a disservice to clog up a Jeep Wrangler forum with threads such as this one.
Regarding your concern of clogging , one persons clog is another persons legit question
 

Marine2146

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jun 4, 2021
Messages
236
Reaction score
486
Location
North Carolina
Vehicle(s)
2018 Grand Cherokee, 2006 F-250, 1998 wrangler
Both of these get off road as often as possible. Part of the best thing about jeeps is that they clean up and look great. Guess they look a little mall crawlerish with winches when all shiney :)

20210924_163147.jpg
How do you like the tow bar base plate? Also what winch mount plate are you using with it?
 

Ridgway Jeeper

Well-Known Member
First Name
Frank
Joined
Jun 24, 2021
Messages
461
Reaction score
835
Location
Ridgway, CO
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLR
Occupation
Real Estate Agent
Regarding your concern of clogging , one persons clog is another persons legit question
So true...

You will never convince people to stop decorating vehicles, it is a national pastime and nearly a right of passage for Jeepers.

I am in the "only in the name of function" category myself but find it pointless to try and dissuade people from doing what they want with their money and their vehicles.
 

Headbarcode

Well-Known Member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Aug 16, 2018
Messages
5,531
Reaction score
12,150
Location
LI, New York
Vehicle(s)
2019 JLUR Stingray 2.0 turbo
Vehicle Showcase
1
I've been doing this for 15 years. It involves snatch blocks etc to make sure the Jeep is far from the danger zone. It's safer than it sounds.
My brother and I have been doing the same 2-parted guide for about the same amount of years. Most of the trees we've fallen were due to death, disease, or those severely damaged by storms. Those don't always want to fall where you want them, regardless of how perfect your hinge and back cuts are.

Loggers are typically falling live wood that is pin straight. On the off chance that one comes down funny, their only concern is running in a diagonal line to not be under it. They don't share the concern of theirs or their neighbors house or personal property.
 

Ridgway Jeeper

Well-Known Member
First Name
Frank
Joined
Jun 24, 2021
Messages
461
Reaction score
835
Location
Ridgway, CO
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLR
Occupation
Real Estate Agent
My brother and I have been doing the same 2-parted guide for about the same amount of years. Most of the trees we've fallen were due to death, disease, or those severely damaged by storms. Those don't always want to fall where you want them, regardless of how perfect your hinge and back cuts are.

Loggers are typically falling live wood that is pin straight. On the off chance that one comes down funny, their only concern is running in a diagonal line to not be under it. They don't share the concern of theirs or their neighbors house or personal property.
Well if you think a good experienced logger can't make that tree fall exactly where he wants it you haven't been around a good tree cutter...

I spent a couple of seasons helping log out a deep canyon. We only took the dead and diseased and it was almost always imperative that the trees lay where you needed them too in the thick forest so we could skid them out. I have been witness to some ridiculously impressive tree falling by guys with 20 and 50 years of experience respectively. I will share your comments with them, we will have a good laugh.

I have also been around when my good friend has dropped trees in the immediate vicinity of multi million dollar homes in Telluride as well as dozens of other homes and structures. I have listened to guys like you tell him it couldn't be done, you know "tree experts" from the state agricultural service and local tree services. I have never seen him miss, we have never rigged a line to a tree. I have seen it done hundreds of times.

Thanks for the "education" though...LOL Wasn't looking for clarification, just made a comment. I would never rig a vehicle to a tree, good luck.

logs.jpg
 

linux_guy

Active Member
Joined
Aug 1, 2020
Messages
39
Reaction score
33
Location
Alabama
Vehicle(s)
2020 JL 6-speed manual, 2011 Compass 5-speed manual
Save all this venom and keyboard activism for those who donk their Jeeps. And obviously also for angry grills. And the trifecta: a donked Wrangler with an angry grill and a winch.
 

JustDave

Well-Known Member
First Name
Dave
Joined
Apr 8, 2021
Messages
181
Reaction score
245
Location
Kersey
Vehicle(s)
2021 Jeep Wrangler
Well if you think a good experienced logger can't make that tree fall exactly where he wants it you haven't been around a good tree cutter...

I spent a couple of seasons helping log out a deep canyon. We only took the dead and diseased and it was almost always imperative that the trees lay where you needed them too in the thick forest so we could skid them out. I have been witness to some ridiculously impressive tree falling by guys with 20 and 50 years of experience respectively. I will share your comments with them, we will have a good laugh.

I have also been around when my good friend has dropped trees in the immediate vicinity of multi million dollar homes in Telluride as well as dozens of other homes and structures. I have listened to guys like you tell him it couldn't be done, you know "tree experts" from the state agricultural service and local tree services. I have never seen him miss, we have never rigged a line to a tree. I have seen it done hundreds of times.

Thanks for the "education" though...LOL Wasn't looking for clarification, just made a comment. I would never rig a vehicle to a tree, good luck.

logs.jpg
I've worked with pro loggers too. It's not always an exact placement of felled trees. Most pro tree guys working around homes etc seem to use bucket trucks to take trees down from the top. I can drop a tree pretty well, but use the Jeep winch as a little bit of insurance. Any pro logger would admit a rotted tree can twist & fall completely off mark. I was working with one that dropped a tree on 4 lane highway due to unknown rot.
 
OP
OP
rickinAZ

rickinAZ

Well-Known Member
First Name
Rick
Joined
Jan 2, 2020
Messages
2,167
Reaction score
2,423
Location
Phoenix
Vehicle(s)
2021 Rubicon Diesel
Occupation
Retired CFO. Mayo Clinic volunteer.
OP here. Sorry to have caused such firestorm. I also belong to the GT3 forum. On the JL forum, some like to engage in shaming members regarding their (lack of) off-road activity. On the GT3 site, their version is shaming for not tracking your car. The equivalent of winches on mall-crawlers, is owners installing roll cages (matching colors, no less) in cars that will never turn a lap. Both a little silly given the circumstances, but to each their own. At least a winch is an inexpensive adornment - roll cages are not cheap.

For the record, I have neither a winch nor a roll cage. A disappointment all around. :)

red.jpg
 
Last edited:

Ridgway Jeeper

Well-Known Member
First Name
Frank
Joined
Jun 24, 2021
Messages
461
Reaction score
835
Location
Ridgway, CO
Vehicle(s)
2021 JLR
Occupation
Real Estate Agent
I've worked with pro loggers too. It's not always an exact placement of felled trees. Most pro tree guys working around homes etc seem to use bucket trucks to take trees down from the top. I can drop a tree pretty well, but use the Jeep winch as a little bit of insurance. Any pro logger would admit a rotted tree can twist & fall completely off mark. I was working with one that dropped a tree on 4 lane highway due to unknown rot.
I know, everybody is a "Pro"... Until they show you they are not anyway. The fact that it can go wrong is exactly why I wouldn't rig to a vehicle.
 

entropy

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 19, 2018
Messages
2,925
Reaction score
4,668
Location
Pasadena
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Wrangler Sport S JL 2-D
Build Thread
Link
Occupation
Data Scientist
Dude. 19 pages. Some people telling others to STFU. 😂 😂

Just do wtver man who cares. Get a winch to pull your massive banana republic shopping bag to your trunk if you want. Lol.
:jk:
 
Last edited:

JustDave

Well-Known Member
First Name
Dave
Joined
Apr 8, 2021
Messages
181
Reaction score
245
Location
Kersey
Vehicle(s)
2021 Jeep Wrangler
WOW, that seems like a dangerous game... I learned to fall trees from an ex-logger that used to drop around 300 a day for 20 years. There are better ways...
I've dropped
I know, everybody is a "Pro"... Until they show you they are not anyway. The fact that it can go wrong is exactly why I wouldn't rig to a vehicle.
I'm not going to continue this forever, but I don't think you're understanding the entire concept of what I do. I refer plenty of residential jobs to "pro" loggers when it's out of my range. A bucket truck is usually the best remedy. I've cut 100's & maybe 1000's of trees in the forests. There's a different kind of exactness in a forest than is required around a building. At any point, my Jeep or anything around it is in NO danger. You'll have to take my word on it. Actually, you don't have to as I know you'll never agree. I know what I do is as safe as any tree felling operation. After seeing YouTube videos of morons hooking on etc, I would have to say "Don't try this at home". Have fun Jeepin.
 
Advertisement

PSC Motorsports
 
Advertisement
Top