Why Tommy from TFL bought a Wrangler instead of a Bronco (or 4Runner)

[DanW]

The 4Runner is this way. Great rig, but it drives a 1/2 size bigger than a Wrangler.

He also talked of the lack of a manual transmission in the 4RUnner. Too bad because it used to have a nice one. But it was smaller then, too. I had a 96 and a 2000 4Runner. They were nice and better off-road than most SUV's, but that IFS was unnerving when you'd get a wheel or sometimes two off the ground, which was often. But I did like those trucks. I just didn't like feeling like I was sitting on the floor. It was tough for my 6'5" frame on long trips.

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[qnet]

He also talked of the lack of a manual transmission in the 4RUnner. Too bad because it used to have a nice one. But it was smaller then, too. I had a 96 and a 2000 4Runner. They were nice and better off-road than most SUV's, but that IFS was unnerving when you'd get a wheel or sometimes two off the ground, which was often. But I did like those trucks. I just didn't like feeling like I was sitting on the floor. It was tough for my 6'5" frame on long trips.

Ha ha, not to turn this into a 4Runner thread, but back when I was younger I really wanted one of those years you had, but couldn't afford it at the time.

I remember the earlier models you could take the back top off. I also liked how the back window rolled down.

 

[DanW]

Ha ha, not to turn this into a 4Runner thread, but back when I was younger I really wanted one of those years you had, but couldn't afford it at the time.

I remember the earlier models you could take the back top off. I also liked how the back window rolled down.

THose were great! The removable top was 1 gen before my 96. They were solid machines. Not trouble free like everyone in Toyotaland wants us to believe, but they were good trucks. I think that gen with the removable top would have been a blast with a 5 speed manual.

 

[csjlu]

I also liked how the back window rolled down.

I had a 1992 red SR5 back when I was younger. The best truck I ever owned. As a dog owner, those power tailgate windows were awesome on trail drives and long road trips. Just pop them down for a minute and the dogs get some fresh air without having to stop. Really miss that convenience.

 

[JLBoucher]

Is there, like, a trailer I can watch? 22 minutes seems a little long.

That's what she said...

 

[Billy Baldone]

i love this video. We have a 2dr Willy's with auto/Tech package/Cold weather package that we ordered for Mrs Billy. We also got the premium soft top. The hard top was just not easy for my wife to use. I'm contemplating a stripper Willy's like Tommy got.... i am also on the Bronco waiting list. I'm guessing I am about a year plus out for the Bronco. My timeframe is my Cherokee Trailhawk. I want top $$$ for it right now. So ordering a Wrangler may be the best option for me. A 228i convertible is also an option for my wife, and I take the Wrangler. But all of the reasons Tommy got his Willy's are the same we got one too

 

[Ridgway Jeeper]

The basic Rubicon still seems like a no brainer to me, especially if you want a manual trans. It comes with stronger axles, better gearing, raised flares, lockers and swaybar disconnect and it will take 35's with exactly zero mods and be a great combination of trail rig and driver.

 

[The Last Cowboy]

Man, they are going nuts on the bronco6g forum about this video, serous venom towards TFL. Haters gonna hate.

Funny, as the vast majority of their members don't have a Bronco, nor have they ever driven one or probably seen one in person.

 

[aldo98229]

Funny, as the vast majority of their members don't have a Bronco, nor have they ever driven one or probably seen one in person.

Sounds like Sunday morning worship!

 

[west tex]

Another interesting thing he talked about was how the Bronco felt bigger.

I know it's a little bigger than the Wrangler, but he said it drove like it was bigger, more like a mid-sized truck. I thought that was interesting.

My other Jeep is a Renegade Trailhawk. My 2 dr Wrangler feels quite a bit bigger in comparison. But not in a bad way.

In general, I'm favorably impressed with the TFL videos.

 

[BillWorkbench]

I just watched the ENTIRE 21 min video. Worth the watch.

Anyway, my takes from a 2020, 2 Door Sport owner and a daughter with a 2021 2 door Willys.


1. I am glad I got the keyless entry, that would bug me every time I unlocked my door and reaching across to unlock the passenger door.

2. The Willys package is a great package, my daughter has one. Has a few extra things over my Sport S, I guess that is what the aftermarket is for.

3. I like having CarPlay with Gaia. Although I never get lost, at least until I am out of gas.

4. Some days I wish I got a manual, most days I am very happy with the automatic.

All and all I am happy with my Jeep, and I am sure that he will be happy with his. With the exception of the manual door locks. I am sure there will be a video about that soone.

 

[BillWorkbench]

I just watched the ENTIRE 21 min video. Worth the watch.

Anyway, my takes from a 2020, 2 Door Sport owner and a daughter with a 2021 2 door Willys.


1. I am glad I got the keyless entry, that would bug me every time I unlocked my door and reaching across to unlock the passenger door.

2. The Willys package is a great package, my daughter has one. Has a few extra things over my Sport S, I guess that is what the aftermarket is for.

3. I like having CarPlay with Gaia. Although I never get lost, at least until I am out of gas.

4. Some days I wish I got a manual, most days I am very happy with the automatic.

5. Regarding the Ford Bronco. I agree with his assessment on first-year cars may have unforeseen issues. I am also certain that he wanted a new car NOW, and did not want to wait for the Bronco.

All and all I am happy with my Jeep, and I am sure that he will be happy with his. With the exception of the manual door locks. I am sure there will be a video about that soone.

 

[viper88]

@Joe98

It's a bit more than that over the Sport. You get the D44/M220 with limited slip, HD shocks, HD brakes and rock sliders standard. Plus the black grille, black aluminum wheels with 32" tires, tinted rear windows, different front bumper (Sahara I think) and some decals. All for about $1900 over the Sport.

That's a very good deal for $1900. I don't remember? Does the Willys get the larger Rubicon brakes?

 

[JL_Confidential]

That's a very good deal for $1900. I don't remember? Does the Willys get the larger Rubicon brakes?

Yes. If you look at the standard features of both, it says Heavy-Duty 4-Wheel Disc Anti-Lock Brakes.

 

[JLBoucher]

That video made me willing to wait a couple more weeks before I cancel my order. Because i'm 4 months in this thing and I have absolutely no news about my Wrangler order. None. No VIN yet.

But this is my dream car. So I guess I'll wait...

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