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Why do so many people seem not like (or if you like it) stop start or ESS? Just looking for peoples reasons for or against, not hating or being confrontational. I just simply want to know peoples thoughts.

For me, I like stop start.
1) If you have a manual and stall it, press the clutch in and it automatically starts again! (without resetting your radio ;))
2) Its disabled in 4 low so no worries off road.
3) The heat or air con will override it and start the vehicle if its too hot or cold.
4) They test the heck out of the starters, most tests being more the 1,000,000 stop starts back to back in hot cells and cold cells. I have not heard of stop start vehicle starters failing prematurely in recent years (to be fair I also have not searched hard)

The only real time I don't like it is when I'm in traffic and it starts, roll 4 feet then turns off over and over. That's when I turn it off.

It defiantly takes some getting use to, I had it on my manual diesel mini cooper and have driven many auto vehicles with it. Once you get use to knowing when the light is going to change and you release the brake a little or push the clutch in and she lights, getting use to that timing I have never felt stranded or waiting on the vehicle to leave the light to pull out into traffic.
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I have it right now on my work vehicle (granted, not a Wrangler) and it gets on my nerves. 1) It always seems to stop right when I am about to go again, 2) I dislike that the power steering is gone when it shuts off. Sometimes I want to change the steering direction, and I have to let off the brake (and get it to start again) to be able to do that, 3) the AC does not work as well after it shuts off.
I am not convinced that there is any significant fuel mileage with this feature at all. Mine doesn't spend enough time shut off to make up for much energy savings. I'd bet that it takes more energy to create the systems used in ESS than is saved in many vehicles. The Wrangler's may be different because of the BSG energy being applied, but what unseen negatives are occurring also?
 
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I have it right now on my work vehicle (granted, not a Wrangler) and it gets on my nerves. 1) It always seems to stop right when I am about to go again, 2) I dislike that the power steering is gone when it shuts off. Sometimes I want to change the steering direction, and I have to let off the brake (and get it to start again) to be able to do that, 3) the AC does not work as well after it shuts off.
I am not convinced that there is any significant fuel mileage with this feature at all. Mine doesn't spend enough time shut off to make up for much energy savings. I'd bet that it takes more energy to create the systems used in ESS than is saved in many vehicles. The Wrangler's may be different because of the BSG energy being applied, but what unseen negatives are occurring also?
ahh see I forgot about power steering! The vehicles I have driven with it all have electronic power steering so they still worked. That is a good point.
 

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I do not like it.

Ask yourself honestly --> What are the real reasons Jeep FORCES us to drive with ESS?

Saving money and saving the planet right?!? LOL

1. If I wanted to save a hypothetical 10% on fuel cost, I wouldn't be driving a bloody Jeep in the first place. The additional cost from the additional wear and tear on batteries/starters/engine components, and additional cost they charge for this BS far outweighs any fuel "cost savings" on a Jeep.
2. If I really believed ESS made for a more "environmentally friendly" vehicle, I would buy that bridge in Brooklyn. Think of all the additional batteries (lead/nickel) that are going to be needed. Those batteries don't grow on trees. For the 2 seconds my engine is shut off, the "environmental friendly" impact is negligible, unless you're Al Gore, and making bank on man-made global warming scams.
3. What if one of the times your driving in a stop and go scenario(on a gridlock freeway), and after the 1 millionth start/stop, the starter says NOPE, and you get into an accident? Or, your spouse/child are out trail-riding in a remote area and it malfunctions? Is your family worth more than that?4.
4. It's socialist idealogy, and I do not like Socialism.

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I'm not necessarily against electrification of vehicles, but the government/corporations shouldn't be in the business of mandating ridiculous standards or financially supplementing lies about them (corn fuel). If someone can build an electric vehicle which is has better performance than its comparable fuel burner and is also more economical, bring it on. I'm really curious what the aftermarket will be able to do with the JL's 2.0T motor. If you can couple fuel economy with increased power, why argue?
 

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It took me a few times driving the JL to get used to it because I hadn't driven a car with that feature before. I don't like or dislike it, it's just different.
 

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is this a standard feature that you cant disable? if so that will be a huge turn off, i absolutely hate vehicles that shut off like that, also how the hell the does AC work at all if the engine isnt running?
 

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is this a standard feature that you cant disable? if so that will be a huge turn off, i absolutely hate vehicles that shut off like that, also how the hell the does AC work at all if the engine isnt running?
There's a button on the dash to disable it for that driving session. It has a second battery to maintain the radio and all your creature comforts. If that battery gets too low, it'll just restart the engine again. So really, it's no big deal.
 

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is this a standard feature that you cant disable? if so that will be a huge turn off, i absolutely hate vehicles that shut off like that, also how the hell the does AC work at all if the engine isnt running?
Unfortunately, it is set to start/stop by default. They do offer a button to turn it off. However, you have to hit that button every time if you want to disable it.
 

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There's a button on the dash to disable it for that driving session. It has a second battery to maintain the radio and all your creature comforts. If that battery gets too low, it'll just restart the engine again. So really, it's no big deal.
 

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good to know its easily disabled. if i want my engine off ill shut it off. the amount of fuel used at idle so so miniscule i cant believe that this is actually something jeep has.
 

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I’m pretty sure my friends in Iceland, and their President Gudni Johannesson, do not think global warming is fake news. Not sure what that has to do with ESS. As one who teaches young folks how to build stuff I’m a believer in th KISS principal. Automakers seem to disagree with me. An ESS system certainly isn’t simple. Edmonds did a test (not to be confused with a study) where they saved just a bit less than 10% in fuel consumption. For me, who drives less than 10 miles/day, ESS isn’t worth it, but maybe it is for my friends in Los Angeles who drive 4hrs a day. ESS, like electric windows and locks, is here to stay whether I like it or not.
 

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Why do so many people seem not like (or if you like it) stop start or ESS? Just looking for peoples reasons for or against, not hating or being confrontational. I just simply want to know peoples thoughts.

For me, I like stop start.
1) If you have a manual and stall it, press the clutch in and it automatically starts again! (without resetting your radio ;))
2) Its disabled in 4 low so no worries off road.
3) The heat or air con will override it and start the vehicle if its too hot or cold.
4) They test the heck out of the starters, most tests being more the 1,000,000 stop starts back to back in hot cells and cold cells. I have not heard of stop start vehicle starters failing prematurely in recent years (to be fair I also have not searched hard)

The only real time I don't like it is when I'm in traffic and it starts, roll 4 feet then turns off over and over. That's when I turn it off.

It defiantly takes some getting use to, I had it on my manual diesel mini cooper and have driven many auto vehicles with it. Once you get use to knowing when the light is going to change and you release the brake a little or push the clutch in and she lights, getting use to that timing I have never felt stranded or waiting on the vehicle to leave the light to pull out into traffic.
At this point I'm convinced the tech doesn't last. And people forget how to fix old tech. I've had old Jeep's, and each has orphaned tech, luckily not major thing like, running. I'm against because I dont want an othwise working truck to be deadpooled in ten years because the ESS malfunctioned and can't be fixed.
 
 



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