Who actually takes their JL offroad?

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My '69 4WD top of Cinnamon Pass, July 1976. The kid I'm holding lives in a paid off house and has a Rubicon for each foot.

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Whenever I see old photos like this of RWD cars with no ABS, no airbags, no seatbelts, no cell reception, no navigation, no cargo room, ply tires, six people in five seats, 150 HP and 15 MPG, going up mountain passes...makes me wonder if today we focus too much on the toy and not enough on the experience.
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My shop talked me out of 513s saying it was too buzzy for street work. I'm pretty happy with 488s and it's still a little buzzy but a absolute hoot to drive. Thinking the 513s would have been fine too.
I don't think people properly consider the tire size when thinking about gears. By my research/calculations the standard JL comes with 31.5" tires and 3.45:1 gears and judging by what people say when they go to 33" tires, this gearing is as numerically low as you want to go. Maybe the better guideline would be 33" tires of the Rubicon with 4.10:1 gears. When increasing tire diameter and trying to maintain similar overall gearing as the stock Rubicon, the results would be- 35" tires should have 4.34:1, 37" tires should have 4.59:1, 40" tires should have 4.96:1. You probably don't want to go lower than these numbers and could go a little higher, depending on your tolerance for engine revs and lower fuel economy. IOW if you are only mall crawling around town you could stick with these numbers or go a bit lower, if you are interested in offroad performance you could go a little higher. It seems common for people to go 35s on Rubicons without changing gearing so there is some leeway for slightly lower numbers than above.

I would guess that most transmissions these days are overdrive and that's why we consider numbers that would have been considered too high in the past. In the days of highest gear being straight through 1:1 the final drive ratios were usually lower. I had a street car with 4.88 gears and Muncie 4-speed and you do get a little more rpm on the highway than you need.
 

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My '69 4WD top of Cinnamon Pass, July 1976. The kid I'm holding lives in a paid off house and has a Rubicon for each foot.

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I learned to drive in the late sixties and took my test in a firebird 400 with 4 speed. (brothers car). It had dumped 6" or so fresh snow and Northeast Ohio does have hills. I did well.

This picture took me back decades, great shot! not sure that Firebird I drove would have done well on Poughkeepsie, but I think I might have wrapped it around most of the switchbacks on the Alpine Loop.
 

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I wonder how much different my old 3rd edition is.
do you need spare fuel to make the alpine loop (2-door tank)?
Your third edition would be fine. All those trails will be in it maybe with some minor changes. And yes a full tank of fuel will get you around the Loop. We even ran a few of the short side runs that can be done from there. There is a town (name?) on the loop its in the book you can actually get gas there if it makes you feel better to top off which really is always a good idea in that type of country.

Personally I would have 0 hesitation in your rig. Good rubber is a must!
 

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Your third edition would be fine. All those trails will be in it maybe with some minor changes. And yes a full tank of fuel will get you around the Loop. We even ran a few of the short side runs that can be done from there. There is a town (name?) on the loop its in the book you can actually get gas there if it makes you feel better to top off which really is always a good idea in that type of country.

Personally I would have 0 hesitation in your rig. Good rubber is a must!
Thanks! My rig is in pieces. Lol. But I’m definitely driving out west around the end of summer. Post-quarantine/new Jeep trip/overdue vacation.
 

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My '69 4WD top of Cinnamon Pass, July 1976.
Well darn- forget about the Jeep and I'll just take my CTS offroad. It might need about 6" of lift though.
 
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Took mine to the mountains well before I had plates.

Been to CA deserts and Ouray rock tastic sights... I have not done crazy rock crawling but it will happen. Was supposed to have already been to Moab, but that and Ouray will happen again this year.

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The best thing about getting out and exploring is meeting all the great people out there.

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Even if it's just dirt roads leading to an unknown town or a fantastic out of the way brewery, go play. That's what you bought this particular toy for isn't it? :beer:
Ive never seen that many 2 doors! I have a 2 door JK and I'm normally the only one.
 

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Everything i have is currently stock..... and well i go wherever i can or will when i see a place to go... even when i don't know anyone or how deep the rabbit hole goes....
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Whenever I see old photos like this of RWD cars with no ABS, no airbags, no seatbelts, no cell reception, no navigation, no cargo room, ply tires, six people in five seats, 150 HP and 15 MPG, going up mountain passes...makes me wonder if today we focus too much on the toy and not enough on the experience.
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Your third edition would be fine. All those trails will be in it maybe with some minor changes. And yes a full tank of fuel will get you around the Loop. We even ran a few of the short side runs that can be done from there. There is a town (name?) on the loop its in the book you can actually get gas there if it makes you feel better to top off which really is always a good idea in that type of country.
We did the loop in about 2000 in my wife's Grand Cherokee on its factory tires. The town you are talking about is probably Lake City. However I wonder if a person would want to do the entire loop in one day. We went over to Lake City, camped one night, then back over to Silverton the next day.
 

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We did the loop in about 2000 in my wife's Grand Cherokee on its factory tires. The town you are talking about is probably Lake City. However I wonder if a person would want to do the entire loop in one day. We went over to Lake City, camped one night, then back over to Silverton the next day.
yep allot of folks do that. And what I meant by good rubber is newer tread that will resist punctures from the granite stubble. I had a guy ask us to follow him across Imogene because he was running tires that were badly worn. That has always stuck in my mind as something I would never do.
 

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Whenever I see old photos like this of RWD cars with no ABS, no airbags, no seatbelts, no cell reception, no navigation, no cargo room, ply tires, six people in five seats, 150 HP and 15 MPG, going up mountain passes...makes me wonder if today we focus too much on the toy and not enough on the experience.
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150 HP and 15 MPG, going up mountain passes...makes me wonder
That Mustang was quite a bit better than that: 302 V8; 205 HP 270 lb-ft torque; 3sp manual; 22mpg spinning 2100 rpm at 70mph; 16 in town; limited slip rear end. Quote: "very well designed and strong engine. in stock form the 302 is a reliable and torqie engine that gives excellent gas mileage and long life when maintained and used within its limits."

Descending the steepish Northwest side of Cinnamon going down to Animas Forks, I turned off the engine keeping it in first, rarely needing to touch the brakes. The car was $2900 factory delivered to me June of '69. Sold it for twice what I paid on delivery after 205,000 trouble free miles. Bought a 4 door Subaru, then the XJ.
 

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I'm more into the adventure than the rock crawls. This is from a trip with JeepExpeditions,org in the Great Altar Dunes in Mexico. The trip started in Yuma, AZ then drove on the beach from El Gulfo to just north of Puerto Penasco then across the Pinacate Volcanic park (where the Apollo crews trained for getting around on the moon) and thru the awesome Great Altar Dunes. We camped on the shores of the Sea of Cortez three nights. Awesome trip. You can get an idea of
the types of trips they do here: https://www.jeepexpeditions.org/TripSchedule.php and more pictures from selected trips here: https://www.jeepexpeditions.org/photo_gallery/index.php



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