I support all the general convo on these tires. I am nearly at the end of my 1st set, currently around 18k miles. There may be a few thousand more in there. These were my first set on my JL. I have like them for the performance and price, but they obviously wear way too quick. I will most likely go to STT pros and not look back at the Pats, unless I run into a financial concern. Overall, I did like them, but make sure you rotate often and set an expectation of not long lasting. If you plan to run beadlocks and you don’t mount them yourself, there’s additional cost there....especially with going through tire sets more often.