Long time Jeep owners often blow off little problems with the function or design of their vehicles, calling them, "Jeep Things." I have always felt this is one reason we wave to each other: Each knows the small annoyances the other is going through and knows they are okay with it. With the arrival of the less-than-stellar, over-priced JL, things are getting cloudy with the difference between what is a Jeep thing and what is a total piece of crap. My thought on starting this thread is for us to give our opinions on what is is truly a Jeep thing and what is not, with regard to the JL. I will start: When I open the driver's door of my hard top, in the rain, water pours off the front end of the gutter, onto the rocker panel and onto the floor mat. This is a Jeep Thing. When I drive down a flat road, my JL often bucks, shudders and misfires so badly that it runs worse than my weed whacker. This is NOT a Jeep thing. Your turn.