My point was they're bulletproof. I put my life into the hands of my winch at times. I'll go with what I trust.I'm not buying a winch to last 40 years. Why on earth would you when technology changes so fast. No thanks, anything over a couple of years gets replaced anyway. My SB X20 9500 lb winch works great and is 7 years old, but I bought a new winch for the JL leaving the old X20 which still works fine sitting in the garage as a spare.