kurt13
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- First Name
- Kurt
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- Montgomery, TX
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- Red JLU Rubi/4Runner
And I thought "tyres" was weird.disableable
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And I thought "tyres" was weird.disableable
The inconsistency in throttle response. Whether it’s my dad’s Cherokee, or my pa-in-law’s diesel Merc, it doesn’t always seem to react the same, and that throttle response lag has caused me a few butt clenching moments. After those, my routine entering these vehicles is now ignition, disable ESS, seatbelt, etc; whereas before it would’ve been seat belt, check seat & mirrors, ignition, etc. though I still forget when going months between borrowing.But can you explain what you dislike about it?
I wonder if that'll be the same for the manual. I assume once I'm getting ready to go I can shift to 1st from neutral and it'll start right up, before releasing the clutch.The inconsistency in throttle response. Whether it’s my dad’s Cherokee, or my pa-in-law’s diesel Merc, it doesn’t always seem to react the same, and that throttle response lag has caused me a few butt clenching moments.
Which documents are you looking at for this information?(though the top alternator looks like the same 240A model for trailer tow group).
I can't see how it'd be hard on the engine - the rings, cams etc will still be well lubricated and oil be up to temperature. An engine after all, is designed to handle many little explosions per-second. Don't see a little electric push doing much harm.What about extra wear and tear on the starter, motor, other parts? Again I don’t claim to be a mechanic however I have been told that starting is one of the hardest things you can do on a motor (especially cold starts, which this won’t be). I undertstand the battery is larger, to compensate in your opinions would ESS cause extra strain on other components?
That's largely not the case with modern engines, and those fitted with ESS have bits upgraded for the additional wear/use. Driving a modern engine with ESS is very different than say, if you were to drive an older Jeep with the 4.0L (a YJ, TJ, XJ, etc) and manually stop the engine and restart it at every stop. Or heck, even if you did it with an older JK with the 3.8L.What about extra wear and tear on the starter, motor, other parts? Again I don’t claim to be a mechanic however I have been told that starting is one of the hardest things you can do on a motor (especially cold starts, which this won’t be). I undertstand the battery is larger, to compensate in your opinions would ESS cause extra strain on other components?
Looking at the options list, the base one isn’t listed, but likely 160A like currently in the JK, however they do list a 220 upgrade for JLU Sahara and Rubicon, and then 240A for trailer tow package.Which documents are you looking at for this information?
There is wear and tear, but it is accounted for in the design. They improve the oiling process, and have changed the rockers and other parts with lower friction material; they also strengthen the battery, starter, and sometimes alternator. These are all beneficial upgrades for the additional stress of ESS now designed to handle say.. 500,000 re-starts vs 50,000.What about extra wear and tear on the starter, motor, other parts? Again I don’t claim to be a mechanic however I have been told that starting is one of the hardest things you can do on a motor (especially cold starts, which this won’t be). I undertstand the battery is larger, to compensate in your opinions would ESS cause extra strain on other components?
Thanks! You made my 10 year old JK feel very young! Are you hanging onto your TJ? I can't bring myself to part with the JK, so the JL has to share the garage with it.I didn't get the memo about how long you can drive the same Jeep. My 97 TJ and I have been traveling together for just over 2 decades and assuming they quarantine my new JLUR we still have a ways to go.
It's so good to be allowed back in the forums to check just to see how many of those who are either complaining or suffering with the incompatible ESS technology. Scanning most of the ESS type topics, there's one thing I didn't see or just couldn't find. No one answered my old question I asked about 1 year ago.
Welp this morning I answered it myself. Seems I've located this official FCA PDF which has one key point I was interested in hearing about the ESS system. Allow me to quote:
Engine Stop-Start (ESS) standard with 3.6-liter V-6 and 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 automatic powertrains
Source: http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/pdf.do?id=18670
What does this mean.. it means ALL of those engine options will have the ESS installed. Yes, even the Diesel engine. #Fail #EpicFail
U mad bro?What's really surprising within the forums, is that no matter what I see or rear here, someone (groups of individuals) are saying that hate one thing or another about these new jeeps. Sure I've been called a clown and to go away. But I bet, if we both pull up to a stop light (mine 2017 JK 3.6L no ESS) & (you 2018 JL 3.6 w/ESS) I would be gone before you'd re-engage the system. Now its the soft top concept or something else the list keeps growing, so what is Jeep not listening to US the true wrangler owners about this piece of junk. jeep Wrangler Hybrid?? Give me a break.. The only jeep I want is a 2 wrangler, with a diesel engine that doesn't have the ESS now that even that's not going to happen. We're (wife and I) are so happen we have a last run 2017. 10, 20 even 30 years from now if we need something new?.. What's old is new again, we';re staying away from any vehicle thats any sort for electronic crap on it.
However, there is hope. Contact your congressman and tell them how much you love this ESS as the past administration imposed these new rules and Pres trump hasn't gotten around to rewriting the rules. One might expect to see massive changes and if this happen we might just see that new 2 door JT truck without any ESS crap on it.
Ok, so if it bugs you that much, don't buy one and pass on every other wonderful thing about the Wrangler, or get a JK.It's so good to be allowed back in the forums to check just to see how many of those who are either complaining or suffering with the incompatible ESS technology. Scanning most of the ESS type topics, there's one thing I didn't see or just couldn't find. No one answered my old question I asked about 1 year ago.
Welp this morning I answered it myself. Seems I've located this official FCA PDF which has one key point I was interested in hearing about the ESS system. Allow me to quote:
Engine Stop-Start (ESS) standard with 3.6-liter V-6 and 3.0-liter EcoDiesel V-6 automatic powertrains
Source: http://media.fcanorthamerica.com/pdf.do?id=18670
What does this mean.. it means ALL of those engine options will have the ESS installed. Yes, even the Diesel engine. #Fail #EpicFail