TrailRecon drops the Diesel

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As far I as I can tell you were the first here to mention loyalty, so that's why I took your comment the way I did. I apparently misunderstood what you were trying to convey. My bad.
Oh I see. Sorry, that was a chime back to earlier. He dropped the diesel because of issues, so he said. Now he dropped the 4xe because of ??? after 2 months.

I think we can say that his issues with the diesel and the ???? on the 4xe have less to do with loyalty/liking the vehicles than the desire to turn them over to keep the YT numbers up. Not knocking it but it does make him giving up each one less meaningful than has been implied at times. He just gives them up so he can review the next thing.

 

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Coming back to the reason TrailRecon let go of the diesel, having read most of the pages on this thread (confessing that I'm no expert or mechanic by any means). I do have a '21 JLURD that I've lifted with a Metalcloak GC and riding 37" KO2's. I'm towing a small camp trailer, not too dissimilar from Brad's Patriot, but perhaps not as heavy (AT Horizon). By my calculations, I'm already a bit over GCWR even with my lightweight setup.

Given that Brad said he encountered the overheating issues in the thin air of the Rocky mtns and going uphill, I'm wondering if a contributing issue was him being way over the GCWR. He did release one video lamenting the fact that he had very little payload room to work with after all his mods (can relate to that). But then adding the tongue weight plus pulling a loaded down Patriot trailer ....

I have had zero issues with overheating in my setup, but admittedly I have not gone over the Rockies... but eventually will.
 

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Coming back to the reason TrailRecon let go of the diesel, having read most of the pages on this thread (confessing that I'm no expert or mechanic by any means). I do have a '21 JLURD that I've lifted with a Metalcloak GC and riding 37" KO2's. I'm towing a small camp trailer, not too dissimilar from Brad's Patriot, but perhaps not as heavy (AT Horizon). By my calculations, I'm already a bit over GCWR even with my lightweight setup.

Given that Brad said he encountered the overheating issues in the thin air of the Rocky mtns and going uphill, I'm wondering if a contributing issue was him being way over the GCWR. He did release one video lamenting the fact that he had very little payload room to work with after all his mods (can relate to that). But then adding the tongue weight plus pulling a loaded down Patriot trailer ....

I have had zero issues with overheating in my setup, but admittedly I have not gone over the Rockies... but eventually will.
I wonder how much a stock JLU diesel weighs, especially after you start adding steel bumpers, XR packages, etc...all stock.

Mine will come with 37s, steel bumpers, a 10k Warn winch, lights, etc.. I have a roof rack and rock sliders waiting in the garage. Aluminum skid plates are inbound.

I'm fairly sure that we'll be quite a bit over limits when pulling a 900 pound (empty) trailer with a RTT on top when going camping. There's a good chance that we'll be over limits when carrying nothing but four adults.

And yes, we back up to the Rockies. That's our primary target for camping.

Here's the GVWRs. I don't have any realistic min/max starting point weights for these. These numbers came directly from 2022 build sheets.

Sport
5,800​
Sahara
5,900​
Rubicon
6,100​
 


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I weighed 5200. JLURD soft top. 100% stock with me at 200 lb in the front seat.
900 lb to work with is better than I was thinking. Thanks for posting that detail.

Plastic bumpers and soft top would be a best-case scenario. XR w/hard top or SOT would have less wiggle room.
 

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I really enjoy watching his videos and I have a bit of respect for Brad’s opinions, however, I do think he missed the mark on the diesel.

I’m fairly certain he never regeared, yes? Based on all the reading I’ve done here and other forums, it seems the folks on 37+ tires who regeared their diesels haven’t had issues with overheating. Perhaps if he’d been at, say, 4.10’s or even 4.56’s there wouldn’t have been an issue. I also think going WOT under load with a steep grade at altitude isn’t the greatest idea. We pull a fairly heavy TT with our F-350 6.0 diesel and I’ve always taken it easy up grades by running it at a higher RPM. Even over max weight when moving my wife out here from New Mexico, going up the mountains into Vegas in 110* heat.

I dunno. I realize it’s apples to oranges. I’ll be running 35’s on mine most likely, with a high probability of picking up a Patriot camper as well. Guess I’ll see if I have similar issues.
 

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I really enjoy watching his videos and I have a bit of respect for Brad’s opinions, however, I do think he missed the mark on the diesel.

I’m fairly certain he never regeared, yes? Based on all the reading I’ve done here and other forums, it seems the folks on 37+ tires who regeared their diesels haven’t had issues with overheating. Perhaps if he’d been at, say, 4.10’s or even 4.56’s there wouldn’t have been an issue. I also think going WOT under load with a steep grade at altitude isn’t the greatest idea. We pull a fairly heavy TT with our F-350 6.0 diesel and I’ve always taken it easy up grades by running it at a higher RPM. Even over max weight when moving my wife out here from New Mexico, going up the mountains into Vegas in 110* heat.

I dunno. I realize it’s apples to oranges. I’ll be running 35’s on mine most likely, with a high probability of picking up a Patriot camper as well. Guess I’ll see if I have similar issues.
Excellent points about regearing. I don't think that I ever heard him mention doing that.

Hopefully WOT under load up a steep grade at altitude isn't required with the torque of the diesel, but in a stock 3.6L manual JLUR you have no choice. With a ~1,500 lb trailer the engine is either screaming in pain to hold its speed at the very top of 3rd or it's unusably bogging down if you try to save it by putting it into 4th.

Slightly off topic, but your comment triggered that flashback.
 

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Excellent points about regearing. I don't think that I ever heard him mention doing that.

Hopefully WOT under load up a steep grade at altitude isn't required with the torque of the diesel, but in a stock 3.6L manual JLUR you have no choice. With a ~1,500 lb trailer the engine is either screaming in pain to hold its speed at the very top of 3rd or it's unusably bogging down if you try to save it by putting it into 4th.

Slightly off topic, but your comment triggered that flashback.
Is AEV doing gears on your JLURD? I know everyone raves about the torque on these motors, saying they have no problems running 37’s on the stock 3.73’s. I’m hesitant. Heck, I’ve thought about swapping the stock 3.55’s on my F-350 to 3.73’s since it’s primarily a tow vehicle and we often go over mountain passes.
 


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Is AEV doing gears on your JLURD? I know everyone raves about the torque on these motors, saying they have no problems running 37’s on the stock 3.73’s. I’m hesitant. Heck, I’ve thought about swapping the stock 3.55’s on my F-350 to 3.73’s since it’s primarily a tow vehicle and we often go over mountain passes.
Yep, 4.56 gears are standard on their JL370 package. The turbo diesel, 37s, and 4.56 gears combination was very impressive when I test drove one in Vegas a few months ago, from both performance and handling perspectives.
 

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Yep, 4.56 gears are standard on their JL370 package. The turbo diesel, 37s, and 4.56 gears combination was very impressive when I test drove one in Vegas a few months ago, from both performance and handling perspectives.
I forget, is 4.56 the sweet spot for 37+ with the diesel?
 

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OFFRD dropped his too, mainly because the timing cover leaks take forever to get repaired and fuel/maintenance costs are a major concern these days.

As sweet as diesel power is, it'll be really interesting to see how long Stellantis keeps the 3.0 around as an option on the Jeeps, especially now that 4xe and future EV can provide more torque with none of the emissions issues. If you want an EcoD go get one now!
 

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Coming back to the reason TrailRecon let go of the diesel, having read most of the pages on this thread (confessing that I'm no expert or mechanic by any means). I do have a '21 JLURD that I've lifted with a Metalcloak GC and riding 37" KO2's. I'm towing a small camp trailer, not too dissimilar from Brad's Patriot, but perhaps not as heavy (AT Horizon). By my calculations, I'm already a bit over GCWR even with my lightweight setup.

Given that Brad said he encountered the overheating issues in the thin air of the Rocky mtns and going uphill, I'm wondering if a contributing issue was him being way over the GCWR. He did release one video lamenting the fact that he had very little payload room to work with after all his mods (can relate to that). But then adding the tongue weight plus pulling a loaded down Patriot trailer ....

I have had zero issues with overheating in my setup, but admittedly I have not gone over the Rockies... but eventually will.
My wife and I watch his videos occasionally, and this was pretty much our take on the diesel thing. He packs so much stuff that I have no doubt it was more than GCWR and taking a big grade in that situation is just going to produce the results he got. IMO, his needs are better met with an HD truck instead of a Wrangler. Wranglers simply don't have the load capacity to handle all the crap he stuffs into the Jeep and trailer, let alone all the crap plus spinning heavier wheels and tires.
 

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I forget, is 4.56 the sweet spot for 37+ with the diesel?
No mountain passes, rough trails, etc. and I really don't know what the best axle ratio would be. All I know is that it seemed like a good combo during that short test drive.

 

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