Problem with the US is we implement things half-ass. ESS has been in use in other countries for years. In THOSE countries, the stop light turns yellow before green so you have time to get off the brake and let the engine start before the green light.
That would not matter. The issue I have with ESS is engine wear at start up. A simple trip to the store used to have two start up cycles. Now with ESS, the same trip has 8. It’s not a half assed implementation, it’s a half assed logic to save a couple of drips of fuel. I get that a couple of drips across the National fleet would account for 1000‘s of gallons. But at the cost of engine longevity... no thank you.
I totally agree it's a bad system, but lack of infrastructure upgrades makes it even more miserable to live with.
This is an excellent question and actually better than the one I posed in the "10 Things Jeep Should have done question."I enjoyed reading this recent thread:
Top 10 things Jeep should have done
We as Wrangler owners are a smart and involved bunch; and that's good.
Pretend you're an FCA exec looking to control costs. What features would you get rid of, or maybe make optional so as to allow the addition of some of the stuff of the previously linked post?
A quick anecdote:
One of my favorite professors (he taught programming languages), always concerned about making his class better each semester, would ask students at a class' conclusion to write down topics they wish he had covered but didn't. Almost instantly students took pen to paper if not for him interjecting, "but....tell me what subjects I should remove from the curriculum to find time to teach the things you wish to learn about."
The guy was the "energizer bunny:" meaning there was, and everyone knew it, no wasted time in class to add more without dropping
something. Still more, the things he covered simply needed to be. Far fewer students knew then what to constructively say.
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Auto makers spend a lot of time figuring out what the most number of people want (in their brand), and what makes them the highest margins as profit, not pleasing customers, is the end game. This by no means implies that FCA doesn't care about customer feedback or is heartless, just that profit is--as its executives are mandated by shareholders to do--the goal, and pleasing customers the means to get there.
Every vehicle feature impacts what we pay. To include it with the model risks losing customers whose price point just got surpassed, or who aren't going to pay for something they don't want. To make it optional, or worse to not offer it at all infuriates some that such features aren't standard/available. And despite a rich aftermarket second to no other, nobody, for example, would ever sell "aftermarket rear air bags" and similar products that simply must be part of the original build.
Now sure, some will somewhat comedically (and quite possibly seriously) say "doors," or "tires," knowing that they don't use the former, and will only upgrade the latter. But good suggestions weigh not simply what you want, but what makes sense to FCA, appealing to a broader market base.
Thoughts?
Yeah, but most of the things we're bitchin about on this thread aren't features to remove, more stuff we want better, I hate having carpet but it's not like Jeep markets carpet as a feature!
Your question was excellent Mark. This thread merely supplements it..looks at the problem from a different angle that likely wouldn't have been contemplated had your question not come first....
I appreciate this point Rick, especially since vehicle implementations of ESS crank the engine with different speeds.
Did you get the eTorque option? I've only driven the 2-door with the eTorque V-6 and it was fine. Ordered a 4xe so it should not be a problem in my case. I've ridden in a Mercedes that was slow to start at every light.I appreciate this point Rick, especially since vehicle implementations of ESS crank the engine with different speeds.
That said, my Sahara cranks faster than I've ever needed. Have you had a different experience?
Classic Mike...nail on the head
You're right. I should have backed up what I said by explaining that the warranty shouldn't shun Jeeps that were done correctly and completely. Especially, considering that the lift that carries their own name is a bit lacking.
