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[nerubi]

I agree with Bret, come the std suspension parts are for gas mileage. Glad the beefed up the axles. Not sure about the aluminum c ring/knuckles.

The Rick krawler parts, and Metal cloak parts are way beefier than mopar parts. Mopar sells a 2 inch lift closer to 3 and not enough adjustment in arms to make it work.

So they need to make the suspension parts heavier on the stock JL for the 95% of people that will never utilize that much ruggedness which will lead to no more Wranglers because they will not meet CAFE standards or meet the majority of driver's expectations? Wrangler is causing FCA problems because of its success and they need higher mpg or there won't be anymore of them. And they need the mall crowd to sell enough of them to make the volume high enough for profit. A lot of gives and takes go into how a vehicle is designed. So complaining about crappy OEM quality will lead you to rock crawling in a Prius. Good luck lifting one of them and putting on 40 inch tires.

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[rustyshakelford]

if you had a Mopar lift and they installed it then it would be covered. Buying other company's products and someone else install it is an automatic disqualification. Who can vouch for their quality and knowledge? Read the posts from the lady who went to arbitration and lost.
And if oem equipment is substandard why did you buy a Jeep? Why not make your own vehicle since I'm sure there wouldn't be anything wrong with it then. I'd like to see an independent survey of how many steering/suspension problems are on lifted Jeeps versus stock. They should have changed the JL to IFS then DW wouldn't exist.

Well it seems like you’re looking for a fight. I’ve had lifted vehicles for 20 years and never had DW. From fords, to dodges, Toyotas and Chevrolets. If you understand how Moss magnumson act works then you would see what I’m saying. Granted I don’t have the bank roll to fight Jeep in court but I can’t imagine it would come to that. I made it clear I’m trying to fix this on my own. My dealer doesn’t have any idea we’re having issues and the Jeep is parked. I haven’t tried pulling one over on anyone or any company.

The mopar lift is junk and yes there are guys having issues with it too. Putting a lift isn’t an automatic disqualification either. I don’t know what Kool-aid someone’s served you but it looks like you’ve filled up a big cup of it. If you want to pay the dealer to do everything so you can feel cozy at night, good for you. I’m a competent mechanic that builds jeeps. I also know how much oil to put in my 3.6, several dealerships are having issues with that though.

The lady that went to arbitration was a stock Jeep if I remember the thread correctly and they didn’t even watch the videos she supplied. The rest of your babble is ridiculous. Do you even wheel your Jeep or just want to look cool? We’re doing the rubicon trail and Moab in April. I would love to minimize fail points like the stock steering components before I leave. More importantly I’d like to be able to drive my Jeep.

Secondly, I brought my Jeep home from the dealer on 37s and mopar wheels. I’m sure you think my powertrain warranty should be gone right?

Brett

 

[rustyshakelford]

So they need to make the suspension parts heavier on the stock JL for the 95% of people that will never utilize that much ruggedness which will lead to no more Wranglers because they will not meet CAFE standards or meet the majority of driver's expectations? Wrangler is causing FCA problems because of its success and they need higher mpg or there won't be anymore of them. And they need the mall crowd to sell enough of them to make the volume high enough for profit. A lot of gives and takes go into how a vehicle is designed. So complaining about crappy OEM quality will lead you to rock crawling in a Prius. Good luck lifting one of them and putting on 40 inch tires.

The steering components are not as strong as the Jk so yeah they should be heavier. The JL we’re designed for 35s from the showroom. 37s aren’t that much bigger. I have had issues since 200 miles. The parts are weak and thus the reason for upgrading. Nobody has come to ask fca to give us stronger factory steering parts for free. I just paid $1400 to do it myself.

I might go 4Ds next time too. I might upgrade to a 60! Guess what I’m not going to do? Whine to fca about that crappy design for the FAD and how it’s a fail point. I’ll build it better than it was.

Brett

 

[nerubi]

Well it seems like you’re looking for a fight. I’ve had lifted vehicles for 20 years and never had DW. From fords, to dodges, Toyotas and Chevrolets. If you understand how Moss magnumson act works then you would see what I’m saying. Granted I don’t have the bank roll to fight Jeep in court but I can’t imagine it would come to that. I made it clear I’m trying to fix this on my own. My dealer doesn’t have any idea we’re having issues and the Jeep is parked. I haven’t tried pulling one over on anyone or any company.

The mopar lift is junk and yes there are guys having issues with it too. Putting a lift isn’t an automatic disqualification either. I don’t know what Kool-aid someone’s served you but it looks like you’ve filled up a big cup of it. If you want to pay the dealer to do everything so you can feel cozy at night, good for you. I’m a competent mechanic that builds jeeps. I also know how much oil to put in my 3.6, several dealerships are having issues with that though.

The lady that went to arbitration was a stock Jeep if I remember the thread correctly and they didn’t even watch the videos she supplied. The rest of your babble is ridiculous. Do you even wheel your Jeep or just want to look cool? We’re doing the rubicon trail and Moab in April. I would love to minimize fail points like the stock steering components before I leave. More importantly I’d like to be able to drive my Jeep.

Secondly, I brought my Jeep home from the dealer on 37s and mopar wheels. I’m sure you think my powertrain warranty should be gone right?

Brett

How many of those other vehicles had solid axles? Manufacturer options/accessories are included in lemon law coverage. Why would any law make a car manufacturer responsible for someone else's equipment or installation. They have no control or responsibility for that. And I trust licensed engineers to design cars not small companies or shops. When I was an engineer I saw too many people who thought they were inventors and knew better than everyone else. And they could never be convinced they were wrong.

 

[rustyshakelford]

How many of those other vehicles had solid axles? Manufacturer options/accessories are included in lemon law coverage. Why would any law make a car manufacturer responsible for someone else's equipment or installation. They have no control or responsibility for that. And I trust licensed engineers to design cars not small companies or shops. When I was an engineer I saw too many people who thought they were inventors and knew better than everyone else. And they could never be convinced they were wrong.

A Chevy 2500 duramax and a Toyota Tacoma were ifs. I had a H1 that was ifs too but it wasn’t lifted. Everything else was solid axles. Makes sense that you were an engineer. Engineers are usually dense but you’re extra special. I haven’t asked for anything from fca or holding them responsible. You’re probably from the camp that if I have aftermarket shocks and my radio stops working that my warranty should be voided.

If i took a stock rubicon on the rubicon trail and broke something should fca warranty it? I mean it happened on its namesake trail right? It was designed for the rubicon so should be covered? I bet you’re a blast at parties...

Brett

 

[Martindfletcher]

So they need to make the suspension parts heavier on the stock JL for the 95% of people that will never utilize that much ruggedness which will lead to no more Wranglers because they will not meet CAFE standards or meet the majority of driver's expectations? Wrangler is causing FCA problems because of its success and they need higher mpg or there won't be anymore of them. And they need the mall crowd to sell enough of them to make the volume high enough for profit. A lot of gives and takes go into how a vehicle is designed. So complaining about crappy OEM quality will lead you to rock crawling in a Prius. Good luck lifting one of them and putting on 40 inch tires.

Not the point, we are actually wheeling our JLs and running 37’s. Climbing giant boulders etc,

I would prefer not to pay more from factory. We are just saying we are not putting oem stuff back on our jeeps that are not simply for show or mall crawling.

 

[LABLUE]

A Chevy 2500 duramax and a Toyota Tacoma were ifs. I had a H1 that was ifs too but it wasn’t lifted. Everything else was solid axles. Makes sense that you were an engineer. Engineers are usually dense but you’re extra special. I haven’t asked for anything from fca or holding them responsible. You’re probably from the camp that if I have aftermarket shocks and my radio stops working that my warranty should be voided.

If i took a stock rubicon on the rubicon trail and broke something should fca warranty it? I mean it happened on its namesake trail right? It was designed for the rubicon so should be covered? I bet you’re a blast at parties...

Brett

Yes FCA could warranty it. Your vehicle would never fall under a lemon law for DW. The minute you added an AM lift it can void parts of your warranty. If you had an electrical concern that couldn't be fixed then that's a different story.

I just dealt with this on a JK. Customer needed a front driveshaft, has an AM lift with AM front driveshaft. Driveshaft cardan joint failed. Not a warranty issue. Customer called for FCA help.... not only did they get their powertrain warranty voided by their maxcare was also. All this for a $400 repair.

 

[XJrider]

A Chevy 2500 duramax and a Toyota Tacoma were ifs. I had a H1 that was ifs too but it wasn’t lifted. Everything else was solid axles. Makes sense that you were an engineer. Engineers are usually dense but you’re extra special. I haven’t asked for anything from fca or holding them responsible. You’re probably from the camp that if I have aftermarket shocks and my radio stops working that my warranty should be voided.

If i took a stock rubicon on the rubicon trail and broke something should fca warranty it? I mean it happened on its namesake trail right? It was designed for the rubicon so should be covered? I bet you’re a blast at parties...

Brett

Congrats on yr first jeep!

 

[rustyshakelford]

Yes FCA could warranty it. Your vehicle would never fall under a lemon law for DW. The minute you added an AM lift it can void parts of your warranty. If you had an electrical concern that couldn't be fixed then that's a different story.

I just dealt with this on a JK. Customer needed a front driveshaft, has an AM lift with AM front driveshaft. Driveshaft cardan joint failed. Not a warranty issue. Customer called for FCA help.... not only did they get their powertrain warranty voided by their maxcare was also. All this for a $400 repair.

I hope you’ve read thru the thread and not just the back and forth part. At no point have I tried to get fca to warranty my DW. I have ordered over a grand worth of parts to fix it even though it’s not a problem I should be having to fix and there is a known issue. That said, if nothing else works and it persists, at that point i might consider returning it to stock and taking it in. It has 1700 miles and has had a shimmy since about 200 miles.

Dealer and service writers can be hero’s or A-holes. I’ve never done anything shady with a dealer but treating the writers and mechanics with respect and occasionally showing them appreciation has always gone a long ways with me

Brett

 

[rustyshakelford]

Congrats on yr first jeep!

Lol. Oh yeah it’s a blast. Love it so much I ordered my Wife one Saturday

Brett

 

[LABLUE]

I hope you’ve read thru the thread and not just the back and forth part. At no point have I tried to get fca to warranty my DW. I have ordered over a grand worth of parts to fix it even though it’s not a problem I should be having to fix and there is a known issue. That said, if nothing else works and it persists, at that point i might consider returning it to stock and taking it in. It has 1700 miles and has had a shimmy since about 200 miles.

Dealer and service writers can be hero’s or A-holes. I’ve never done anything shady with a dealer but treating the writers and mechanics with respect and occasionally showing them appreciation has always gone a long ways with me

Brett

I did read the whole post. It was some other person brought it up.

 

[photowiz]

It’s been tested no less than 3 times. What else could it be? Only thing I haven’t put a wrench on is the actual steering box. Might not be a bad idea but when moving the wheel with the engine off it’s all tight. I’m half thinking about going back to stock suspension and see if it’s still there. Lemon law it if I have to. I’m getting sick of this. I know a lift changes geometry but this isn’t usable. I need to see if anyone local has some stock tires I can try. Maybe the big meats are being problematic.

Brett

We had severe DW twice in 2,000 miles. ( from 8,000-10,000 miles). They replaced SS first. That fixed it for awhile. It actually just masked it. Came back violently at 10,000. Always happened at 60-65 mph. Glad I wasn't on a 2 lane road or I may not be here today. They overnighted a new steering box, installed it and the DW went away. It's been 2,000 miles now. Fingers crossed.

 

[XJrider]

Lol. Oh yeah it’s a blast. Love it so much I ordered my Wife one Saturday

Brett

You going to roll 37’s on it?

 

[rustyshakelford]

You going to roll 37’s on it?

That’s the plan. Already have 5 cooper STTs sitting in the shop for her. She keeps the road hot and drives a bunch so who knows how long It’ll last before she gets tired of filling up all the time though

Brett

 

[XJrider]

That’s the plan. Already have 5 cooper STTs sitting in the shop for her. She keeps the road hot and drives a bunch so who knows how long It’ll last before she gets tired of filling up all the time though

Brett

Ive pretty much driven every “wrangler” and xj wj based jeep since the 90’s and the rubicon JL in stock form is butter compaired to all of them to grand cherr in 97-99had great heated leather seats tho. 98 disco has great seats and position but bad set up on 4wd engine diff package.

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