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Good for you, not convinced water's wet or the sky is blue either? Live your truth but facts are facts and don't care what you believe.
Wow, now if only you lived by your words!

What I've been doing is exactly what you do, but with less words.

Now can we move on? If you were closer I'd by you a beer........ and let you install my DynaTrac ball joints 😁 that I don't have or need yet. Have a nice evening.
 

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So, my bad. The quips about saying what people should buy and facts/opinions were a poor attempted digs at Zandc and it was douchie. I only offered a solution to your;)conundrum, because you brought it up.

I'm assuming the axles were used? That's awesome. I think they've always been about $5k new. Wish I could've found a set of quality JK Rubi axles for that 5 years ago.
Rear was new in the crate. Front was take off from appeared to be a Jeep that went from dealership directly to amw. I have no reason to check the price since then.

You misread. My conundrum was seeing people overdo the negative wheel offset and complaining ball joints don't last. Regardless the brand or type of ball joints.
 

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I agree . My 2025 Rubicon X has the cast iron knuckles . Taking into account the role they play in the support of the vehicle if they were aluminum I would be replacing them before worrying about the ball joints
How did you get that, my 2024 Rubicon X has aluminum knuckles, thinking of changing them out but will probably wait till ball joints need replacing.
 

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Great video. It would be interesting to see the cost of the OEM ones as well.

I take all claims of increased durability over OEM with a grain of salt. OEMs track durability of their parts closely, specially since this is a drivetrain component under 5year 60K miles warranty.

I have 33K miles on OEM joints running 37s and frequent wheeling, with no looseness. Similarly had 55K miles on my JK's original joints won 35s, no issues.

Seems to me that an aftermarket joint would need to exceed that factory 60K miles before a rebuilding is even in the cards. That would make it a 120K mile Jeep.

I'm more concerned about my aluminum knuckles than my ball joints.
I agree, hard to beat oem ball joints. Some of the aftermarket ones are complete crap, some even have aluminum housings. Most people don't understand the quality and testing requirements of oem parts for the big 3. Aftermarket parts require none of this and they can make claims and say whatever they want. Put some fancy green anodize on an aluminum ball joint and everyone lining up to buy it, unfortunately they are complete garbage! Aluminum has its uses, but ball joints is not one of them.
 

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I’m running the Teraflex…changed out OEM at 52k. Jeep feels Phenomenal…tighter than it EVER was! Bump steer is non existent as is any wobble of any kind…running 35 Cooper STTs. Cheers!
yes, the Teraflex have heat treated 1045 steal housings, stay away from the garbage brands that use aluminum housings.
 

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I don't have an opinion. I simply asked for information/data on the longevity of these rebuildable ball joints vs OEM.

Given how generally inexpensive ball joints are, the critical role they play, the vast amounts of money Jeep has spent creating 6 different steering stabilizer version, replacing steering boxes, paying an endless number of warranty claims on death wabble, wandering, etc, I think Jeep is must be fielding what they thing is a very good design. They didn't even need to create a new balljoint version for the much heavier 392 and diesel or the XR package.

So, the question remains, is there any data on longevity?

As far as the feeling you got when you upgraded the your ball joints from warn to new, you might have gotten the same feeling regardless of what the new balljoint was. I have seen this multiple times. People upgrade from worn tires to new tires brand A and come to the conclusion that brand A is amazing and the best thing ever, simply because they are moving from totally worn tires to new tires.
Well said, bravo! I agree 100%, so many people are fooled by aftermarket gimmicks and they fail to understand how much testing and continuous improvement goes into the oem parts. Especially a highly safety critical part like a ball joint. Oem's can make them look pretty with nice anodizing etc. but looks aint worth shit!
 

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I agree, hard to beat oem ball joints. Some of the aftermarket ones are complete crap, some even have aluminum housings. Most people don't understand the quality and testing requirements of oem parts for the big 3. Aftermarket parts require none of this and they can make claims and say whatever they want. Put some fancy green anodize on an aluminum ball joint and everyone lining up to buy it, unfortunately they are complete garbage! Aluminum has its uses, but ball joints is not one of them.
yes, the Teraflex have heat treated 1045 steal housings, stay away from the garbage brands that use aluminum housings.
Tell me you didn't watch the video without telling me you didn't watch the video.
 
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How did you get that, my 2024 Rubicon X has aluminum knuckles, thinking of changing them out but will probably wait till ball joints need replacing.
It is my understanding that the 35 inch tires , slight factory lift and “heavy duty suspension “ on the 2025 Rubicon x includes the iron knuckles. I confirmed it with a visual inspection ( rust lol ) and a magnet


How did you get that, my 2024 Rubicon X has aluminum knuckles, thinking of changing them out but will probably wait till ball joints need replacing.
 

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Well said, bravo! I agree 100%, so many people are fooled by aftermarket gimmicks and they fail to understand how much testing and continuous improvement goes into the oem parts. Especially a highly safety critical part like a ball joint. Oem's can make them look pretty with nice anodizing etc. but looks aint worth shit!
I completely understand your reasoning, however, in an effort to save money, “the big 3” only care about the bottom line…and wearable items aren’t covered by the warranty. Heck, I’ve got open differentials on a $70k Sahara! Why isn’t “Trail Rated 4 Wheel Drive” actually considered mislabeling? I purchased my Jeep at 30k miles, and at that point it had bump steer and slight looseness in the steering wheel…that’s what I am comparing the ball joints to. No vehicle should feel like that at 30k miles. R&D my butt!
 

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I completely understand your reasoning, however, in an effort to save money, “the big 3” only care about the bottom line…and wearable items aren’t covered by the warranty. Heck, I’ve got open differentials on a $70k Sahara! Why isn’t “Trail Rated 4 Wheel Drive” actually considered mislabeling? I purchased my Jeep at 30k miles, and at that point it had bump steer and slight looseness in the steering wheel…that’s what I am comparing the ball joints to. No vehicle should feel like that at 30k miles. R&D my butt!
What if I told you you could get your sahara through the Rubicon trail with open diffs? We've done so numerous times in rigs without BLD or traction aids of any kind. Isn't that trail rated? It doesn't have a "locked and loaded" badge. I agree that the stock ball joints are crap compared to just about every aftermarket option though.
 

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How did you get that, my 2024 Rubicon X has aluminum knuckles, thinking of changing them out but will probably wait till ball joints need replacing.
Automatic Xs come with the Xtreme 35 Package, which includes Steel knuckles. The Manual X does not include or have the option to add the 35 Xtreme Package, so it has aluminum knuckles. I'm guessing you have a manual transmission.
 

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Automatic Xs come with the Xtreme 35 Package, which includes Steel knuckles. The Manual X does not include or have the option to add the 35 Xtreme Package, so it has aluminum knuckles. I'm guessing you have a manual transmission.
You are correct, I have a manual.
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