The sound of a Kinetic Rope failure. Damage and cost..... Plus photos of the wheeling and camping.

DadJokes

Well-Known Member
First Name
Daniel
Joined
Oct 22, 2019
Messages
1,774
Reaction score
1,298
Location
Kentucky
Vehicle(s)
Sahara
Yes this correct, but I’ve never seen it work, at least in the sugar sand mud/ clay mud crap we have around here. In fact, this is what usually happens.
Sounds like suction in your cases there.





Advertisement

 

sourdough

Well-Known Member
First Name
Ben
Joined
Nov 12, 2017
Messages
1,243
Reaction score
2,525
Location
93013
Vehicle(s)
'19 JLR dingy, Ram3500 diesel 4x4 Tiger RV
Build Thread
Link
Occupation
union sheet metal worker 34 yrs. (retired 2008)
Vehicle Showcase
4
I'm also suddenly became convinced to add two dampers to my recovery gear. Thanks, @wibornz, for sharing your experience.

Yes, two:

Haha, That video is how to properly load a kenetic strap. Not like in wibonz(how not to)video.
 

Mx5red

Well-Known Member
First Name
Paul
Joined
May 6, 2020
Messages
169
Reaction score
132
Location
San Diego
Vehicle(s)
2020 JTR, 2020 JLUR, 2008 M3 (sold), 2013 JGC (sold)
So up wheeling over the weekend and been in 2wd all weekend. The trails are sandy and no real threat of getting stuck..... well or so I thought.

We are leading the pack as normal. Enter a water hole and bam stuck we are. Out comes our kinetic rope. The 2nd Jeep drives around the water hole and hooks up to pull us out. We are not super stuck. Should be an easy recovery. My bud gives it a yank and the kinetic rope breaks.

Turn up the sound. It sounds like a rifle shot through the woods.



















The rope come back to my Jeep and destroys the winch control box, and winch solenoid. Then hits the grille and bust the grille insert and caves in the AC condenser. I unhook the positive cable to winch to ensure that the exploded wires do not turn the winch or or ground out the battery. Luck is on my side though as the A/C condenser is not leaking and we still have air. We continue wheeling the rest of the day without issue.

A/C condenser
1626882453007.png


Grille insert
1626882490051.png


Winch Control box
1626882540964.png



Get home and today, finish ordering everything I need.

Bought a new Warn winch to replace the Smitybuilt X2O. The cost to get a new control box,, solenoid and wireless control module and I had planned on replacing the synthetic rope in the near future, it just made sense to upgrade to the WARN and have a new winch. The Smitybuilt had served me well, but I just could not see dropping approx 400 to 450 into the Smitybuilt winch when that money could be used to upgrade to the Warn.

I bought this for a winch $840 of Amazon. About $50 cheaper than anywhere I could find it on the web.
Warn VR EVO 12-S Winch with Synthetic Rope

I ordered a new Gladiator center grille insert. $23 at the dealer. I could find it for $13 on the web, but by the time I added shipping, most places were at the $45 range. Score one for the dealer.

The new A/C condenser was $54 + shipping and total cost was $75. I will still have to pay someone to drain the old system and recharge it after I install the condenser so there is no total cost on this.

Bought a new kinetic rope from Factor 55. Cost $170

Just the cost of wheeling.

Some pics leading up to it and the weekend in general.

Pic of the Jeep and camper heading home after the weekend.
1626882659447.png


out on the trails
1626882700536.png


1626882743011.png


1626882770310.png


1626882826402.png


1626882926334.png


1626882968469.png


Drone flight through our base camp at a lake that is off the beating path in Northern Michigan.

ouch!
I love how you hid some light bars beneath your fenders. Looks stock, good job.
 

hoag4147

Well-Known Member
First Name
Rick
Joined
Dec 13, 2019
Messages
2,241
Reaction score
2,652
Location
DFW, Texas
Vehicle(s)
2018 JLU Sport S / GMC 1500AT 4x4
Vehicle Showcase
1
So up wheeling over the weekend and been in 2wd all weekend. The trails are sandy and no real threat of getting stuck..... well or so I thought.

We are leading the pack as normal. Enter a water hole and bam stuck we are. Out comes our kinetic rope. The 2nd Jeep drives around the water hole and hooks up to pull us out. We are not super stuck. Should be an easy recovery. My bud gives it a yank and the kinetic rope breaks.

Turn up the sound. It sounds like a rifle shot through the woods.

Your browser is not able to display this video.

















The rope come back to my Jeep and destroys the winch control box, and winch solenoid. Then hits the grille and bust the grille insert and caves in the AC condenser. I unhook the positive cable to winch to ensure that the exploded wires do not turn the winch or or ground out the battery. Luck is on my side though as the A/C condenser is not leaking and we still have air. We continue wheeling the rest of the day without issue.
WOW. Not being there is hard to tell but looks like a simple pull not snatch would have been fine. He was definitely sending it front the start.

sorry to hear about all the damage Ted but glad everyone is good. Would hate to see that coming through the windshield :surprised:
 

4xFUN

Well-Known Member
First Name
Mike
Joined
Dec 9, 2019
Messages
957
Reaction score
1,327
Location
Scottsdale AZ
Vehicle(s)
2020 2-door Rubi. 2019 Ram Longhorn 4x4
Thank goodness everyone is ok, could have been so much worse!
BTW, I hate mud! Well really, I just hate cleaning mud afterwards...
 

Lapis

Well-Known Member
First Name
Tim
Joined
May 2, 2020
Messages
111
Reaction score
136
Location
SoCal Desert
Vehicle(s)
2019 JLU Rubicon Ocean Blue
Glad you're all OK and it wasn't too much damage to your Jeep.

I watched the video a couple times real slow. Looks like the vehicle pulling you out had some short (2-3ft) lead on his bumper that was connected to the kinetic rope and it failed where those two connected. Might not be a fault of your rope at all, I would try to stick to as few connections as possible (i.e. kinetic rope direct to shackle on bumper)
 

CaJLMetalHead

Well-Known Member
First Name
CAJLMetalHead
Joined
Sep 6, 2018
Messages
245
Reaction score
291
Location
96049
Vehicle(s)
Jeep Wrangler Sport Unlimited
This is not exactly the same product... but interesting video nevertheless:
Dangers of Snatch Strap Recoveries - Destruction Testing - YouTube

Dampers help... but I wonder if any of us will ever take the extra time to use them while
recovering :)

Here is the video (I converted it using an online converter... the original video uses
HEVC Codec (H.265) (not free to download anymore for Windows computers)

 

SilverSurfer

Well-Known Member
First Name
Heinrich
Joined
Apr 2, 2021
Messages
225
Reaction score
274
Location
South Africa
Vehicle(s)
2020 JL Rubicon 3.6 8-speed Auto
Some rookie mistakes in this recovery attempt:

1. No recovery dampener blanket were used.
2. No recovery safety lanyard were used.
3. The stuck vehicle needs to start spinning its wheels long before the recovery vehicle takes off.

I would not blame the kinetic rope, it is rather a practical example of Newton's third law.
 
OP
OP
wibornz

wibornz

Well-Known Member
First Name
Ted
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Messages
3,418
Reaction score
10,671
Location
lansing, Mi.
Vehicle(s)
JL Unlimited Rubicon
Occupation
Retired from Corrections....I have stories.
And how old was that kinetic rope Ted? Exposed to sun much? Just trying to figure out if these things have a shelf life like synthetic rope.
No real exposure to the sun, when not traveling, it was stored in its bag in the garage, when traveling stored in the bag inside of the Jeep that has tinted windows. The rope was about 2 years old.
 
OP
OP
wibornz

wibornz

Well-Known Member
First Name
Ted
Joined
Aug 3, 2018
Messages
3,418
Reaction score
10,671
Location
lansing, Mi.
Vehicle(s)
JL Unlimited Rubicon
Occupation
Retired from Corrections....I have stories.
40+yrs. of wheeling, WOW! To bad the rope didn't go the other way. The guy doing the tugging is an idiot IMO. If the rope broke at his bumper connection, a double idiot. Rope connection is often the weak link.
The rope is connected with soft shackles at both ends.
 

Advertisement




Superchips TrailDash 3
 



Advertisement
Top