The sound of a Kinetic Rope failure. Damage and cost..... Plus photos of the wheeling and camping.

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I understand, just never knew the recovery vehicle used that much speed with kinetic rope.

So the recovery process with kinetic rope is to press skinny pedal to the floor with slack in rope, I got it now.
If you were in mud, maybe so. Gotta get going and clearing the treads of mud involves wheel spin. Yep, slack.
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So the recovery process with kinetic rope is to press skinny pedal to the floor with slack in rope
No. The video won't load for me so I can't really comment on what was being done in OP's situation. But generally the recovering vehicle pulls ahead slowly to find the end of the rope, then backs up a foot or two and gives it a little bit of skinny pedal. The rope will stretch and then hopefully pull the stuck vehicle out. It's a controlled thing. Some recoveries will require more snatch than others so it may get exciting. But you don't start out on your first attempt bumper to bumper then floor it trying to grab third gear before you hit the end of the rope.
 

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So up wheeling over the weekend and been in 2wd all weekend. The trails are sandy and no real threat of getting stuck..... well or so I thought.

We are leading the pack as normal. Enter a water hole and bam stuck we are. Out comes our kinetic rope. The 2nd Jeep drives around the water hole and hooks up to pull us out. We are not super stuck. Should be an easy recovery. My bud gives it a yank and the kinetic rope breaks.

Turn up the sound. It sounds like a rifle shot through the woods.



















The rope come back to my Jeep and destroys the winch control box, and winch solenoid. Then hits the grille and bust the grille insert and caves in the AC condenser. I unhook the positive cable to winch to ensure that the exploded wires do not turn the winch or or ground out the battery. Luck is on my side though as the A/C condenser is not leaking and we still have air. We continue wheeling the rest of the day without issue.

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Grille insert
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Winch Control box
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Get home and today, finish ordering everything I need.

Bought a new Warn winch to replace the Smitybuilt X2O. The cost to get a new control box,, solenoid and wireless control module and I had planned on replacing the synthetic rope in the near future, it just made sense to upgrade to the WARN and have a new winch. The Smitybuilt had served me well, but I just could not see dropping approx 400 to 450 into the Smitybuilt winch when that money could be used to upgrade to the Warn.

I bought this for a winch $840 of Amazon. About $50 cheaper than anywhere I could find it on the web.
Warn VR EVO 12-S Winch with Synthetic Rope

I ordered a new Gladiator center grille insert. $23 at the dealer. I could find it for $13 on the web, but by the time I added shipping, most places were at the $45 range. Score one for the dealer.

The new A/C condenser was $54 + shipping and total cost was $75. I will still have to pay someone to drain the old system and recharge it after I install the condenser so there is no total cost on this.

Bought a new kinetic rope from Factor 55. Cost $170

Just the cost of wheeling.

Some pics leading up to it and the weekend in general.

Pic of the Jeep and camper heading home after the weekend.
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out on the trails
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Drone flight through our base camp at a lake that is off the beating path in Northern Michigan.

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Glad everyone's OK.

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40+yrs. of wheeling, WOW! To bad the rope didn't go the other way. The guy doing the tugging is an idiot IMO. If the rope broke at his bumper connection, a double idiot. Rope connection is often the weak link.
 

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That’s typical for a kinetic recovery rope. The whole idea is a yank and momentum transfer to the vehicle being recovered.
Yes this correct, but I’ve never seen it work, at least in the sugar sand mud/ clay mud crap we have around here. In fact, this is what usually happens.
 

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What's the consensus on using a kinetic rope with a synthetic winch line? I haven't, but having both (and tree savers, straps, and shackles) I figured all could be used together if a really long recovery line is needed.
 

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What's the consensus on using a kinetic rope with a synthetic winch line? I haven't, but having both (and tree savers, straps, and shackles) I figured all could be used together if a really long recovery line is needed.
Winches need a firm line, you don’t want a stretchy line for a winch. Winches do not handle dynamic loads well. They like a consistent force with slow transitions of loading/unloading
 

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your tires look a bit worn…. 😞
 

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Winches need a firm line, you don’t want a stretchy line for a winch. Winches do not handle dynamic loads well. They like a consistent force with slow transitions of loading/unloading
I figured that might be the case. Preciate it!
 

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So up wheeling over the weekend and been in 2wd all weekend. The trails are sandy and no real threat of getting stuck..... well or so I thought.

We are leading the pack as normal. Enter a water hole and bam stuck we are. Out comes our kinetic rope. The 2nd Jeep drives around the water hole and hooks up to pull us out. We are not super stuck. Should be an easy recovery. My bud gives it a yank and the kinetic rope breaks.

Turn up the sound. It sounds like a rifle shot through the woods.



















The rope come back to my Jeep and destroys the winch control box, and winch solenoid. Then hits the grille and bust the grille insert and caves in the AC condenser. I unhook the positive cable to winch to ensure that the exploded wires do not turn the winch or or ground out the battery. Luck is on my side though as the A/C condenser is not leaking and we still have air. We continue wheeling the rest of the day without issue.

A/C condenser
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Grille insert
1626882490051.png


Winch Control box
1626882540964.png



Get home and today, finish ordering everything I need.

Bought a new Warn winch to replace the Smitybuilt X2O. The cost to get a new control box,, solenoid and wireless control module and I had planned on replacing the synthetic rope in the near future, it just made sense to upgrade to the WARN and have a new winch. The Smitybuilt had served me well, but I just could not see dropping approx 400 to 450 into the Smitybuilt winch when that money could be used to upgrade to the Warn.

I bought this for a winch $840 of Amazon. About $50 cheaper than anywhere I could find it on the web.
Warn VR EVO 12-S Winch with Synthetic Rope

I ordered a new Gladiator center grille insert. $23 at the dealer. I could find it for $13 on the web, but by the time I added shipping, most places were at the $45 range. Score one for the dealer.

The new A/C condenser was $54 + shipping and total cost was $75. I will still have to pay someone to drain the old system and recharge it after I install the condenser so there is no total cost on this.

Bought a new kinetic rope from Factor 55. Cost $170

Just the cost of wheeling.

Some pics leading up to it and the weekend in general.

Pic of the Jeep and camper heading home after the weekend.
1626882659447.png


out on the trails
1626882700536.png


1626882743011.png


1626882770310.png


1626882826402.png


1626882926334.png


1626882968469.png


Drone flight through our base camp at a lake that is off the beating path in Northern Michigan.

ouch!!!!
 

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Wow! It really does sound like a gun shot. Glad y’all are ok.

I just gotta ask, why weren’t you in 4wd while being pulled out?
 

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Thanks for sharing Ted, great video and PSA about the dangers of vehicle recovery.

I've seen MadMatt push air dampers and always brushed it off. No doubt this type of incident can kill or seriously injure someone but I always have people back away from the danger zone. I never even considered the damage it could do to the vehicle.

You just convinced me to order an air damper!
 

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Thanks for sharing Ted, great video and PSA about the dangers of vehicle recovery.

I've seen MadMatt push air dampers and always brushed it off. No doubt this type of incident can kill or seriously injure someone but I always have people back away from the danger zone. I never even considered the damage it could do to the vehicle.

You just convinced me to order an air damper!
I'm also suddenly became convinced to add two dampers to my recovery gear. Thanks, @wibornz, for sharing your experience.

Yes, two:

 
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