The clutch gang!

[nomographer]

Have a '22 2.0 8-speed auto JLUR. Thinking of maybe trading in for a '23 3.6 6-speed manual JLUR. Dumb? Anyone go from the 8 speed (which for an auto is amazing) to the manual and regret it?

I did my test drive in an auto because there were no manuals on the lot, big surprise. I guess that was a 2020. Mixed city and highway. Hated it. Well, it hated me would be more accurate. Maybe they train in to the driver after 500 miles but who only has one driving style? In any case, all the usual issues, hesitation, power loss from superfluous shifts, second guessing. I'm sure the auto is butter in the 5--8th range, but I found it annoying in city.

Got my manual "cold" after reading things. Even with tired legs after hikes I've never had issues (but cramped in my 94 because the clutch was heavy er). I was scared initially because of stalling but the pedal calibration fixed that entirely.

There's no remote start in the manual, otherwise everything is the same (right?). You can still drive entirely with buttons. Will the automatic drop completely to 0mph without disengaging adaptive cruise? It's the one feature I'd request, that below 15mph the cruise would switch entirely to rpm mode, so you could set cruise in 2H 1st or in 4L 3rd and putt along at 2100rpm. Disengage at 400 rpm if you like.

(I also want the sway bar to stay disconnected up to 20mph. I'm always hitting 16mph on FS roads.)

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[Apples491]

Have a '22 2.0 8-speed auto JLUR. Thinking of maybe trading in for a '23 3.6 6-speed manual JLUR. Dumb? Anyone go from the 8 speed (which for an auto is amazing) to the manual and regret it?

I think the manual is smooth and comfortable. I don't any of the trouble other people on here complain about. I did buy (and drive 700 miles home with) my Jeep with the 4.88 gears. On stock tires, 1st gear is a little short but not bad. And those shorter gears made driving the Jeep hella fun. If I could piece it together myself, I'd say 4.56s would be the sweet spot for the mt and stock tires. But I wouldn't hesitate recommending grabbing the 4.88s if you're ordering new.

I'm running 37s but I'd say 35s are the sweet spot for the 4.88s.

 

[LCW]

I did my test drive in an auto because there were no manuals on the lot, big surprise. I guess that was a 2020. Mixed city and highway. Hated it. Well, it hated me would be more accurate. Maybe they train in to the driver after 500 miles but who only has one driving style? In any case, all the usual issues, hesitation, power loss from superfluous shifts, second guessing. I'm sure the auto is butter in the 5--8th range, but I found it annoying in city.

Got my manual "cold" after reading things. Even with tired legs after hikes I've never had issues (but cramped in my 94 because the clutch was heavy er). I was scared initially because of stalling but the pedal calibration fixed that entirely.

There's no remote start in the manual, otherwise everything is the same (right?). You can still drive entirely with buttons. Will the automatic drop completely to 0mph without disengaging adaptive cruise? It's the one feature I'd request, that below 15mph the cruise would switch entirely to rpm mode, so you could set cruise in 2H 1st or in 4L 3rd and putt along at 2100rpm. Disengage at 400 rpm if you like.

(I also want the sway bar to stay disconnected up to 20mph. I'm always hitting 16mph on FS roads.)

Yeah the stabar disconnect threshold is rather annoying.

 

[Rubi6mt]

Have a '22 2.0 8-speed auto JLUR. Thinking of maybe trading in for a '23 3.6 6-speed manual JLUR. Dumb? Anyone go from the 8 speed (which for an auto is amazing) to the manual and regret it?

Nope. Best thing I did.
My old 8 speed

My current 6-speed

 

[Capricorn]

Driving happiness is the ultimate goal, but this is why I like the idle and feather test. Clearly if it's -45C outside everything will be wonk, but usually mine drops to regular idle after 30sec and then it's easy to feather test.

Said simply, if there's only "idle" or "jump then steadily increase rpm", it means it only knows two positions for that pedal (magnetic) sensor: 0% and 100%. Mine would literally hop from 750 straight to 2500, and would steady around 4500 maybe 5sec later, and that was just feathering! Starting with zero pedal was easy; the ECU would prevent a stall on slow release. Feathering would always stall arguably because it's sending 0% which tells the engine to "slow down"... to dead. Anything else was spinning.

It's exactly your story, which is why I keep pushing.

I have no idea what Pedal Commander does but I cannot imagine they'd be resetting the sensor calibration.


I also have absolutely no idea how this is supposed to work in the automatics. It never seemed to learn about the pedal automatically, which tells me that the automatics should have the same problem. I would think lurching would still be detectable.

Looks like second time was the charm. Much, much better today too. I tested feathering while I was stopped at a stoplight. I was able to feather the revs to 1.5k. Thanks!!!

 

[AZ_Gunslinger]

I've had mostly manual trans since I got my driver's license in 1965 and my first car was a used '64-1/2 Mustang. I just prefer the feeling of being part of the vehicle. Just sold my 6-spd. '06 350Z and bought this 6-spd. '18 JLUR.

 

[J.Ferreira]

Have any of you regeared?
Very seriously contemplating it in the future, but with keeping the 32" tires on the Willy's.
I've read that some people have seen an improvement in mileage and power.
The Willy's has 3.45, and I'm leaning towards 4.10s.
Probably well into the future after I'm more into the mileage on the Jeep and nearing warranty end or something.

 

[azwjowner]

Have any of you regeared?
Very seriously contemplating it in the future, but with keeping the 32" tires on the Willy's.
I've read that some people have seen an improvement in mileage and power.
The Willy's has 3.45, and I'm leaning towards 4.10s.
Probably well into the future after I'm more into the mileage on the Jeep and nearing warranty end or something.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/21-willys-re-gear-story.94360/

 

[Toycrusher]

I did my test drive in an auto because there were no manuals on the lot, big surprise. I guess that was a 2020. Mixed city and highway. Hated it. Well, it hated me would be more accurate. Maybe they train in to the driver after 500 miles but who only has one driving style? In any case, all the usual issues, hesitation, power loss from superfluous shifts, second guessing. I'm sure the auto is butter in the 5--8th range, but I found it annoying in city.

Got my manual "cold" after reading things. Even with tired legs after hikes I've never had issues (but cramped in my 94 because the clutch was heavy er). I was scared initially because of stalling but the pedal calibration fixed that entirely.

There's no remote start in the manual, otherwise everything is the same (right?). You can still drive entirely with buttons. Will the automatic drop completely to 0mph without disengaging adaptive cruise? It's the one feature I'd request, that below 15mph the cruise would switch entirely to rpm mode, so you could set cruise in 2H 1st or in 4L 3rd and putt along at 2100rpm. Disengage at 400 rpm if you like.

(I also want the sway bar to stay disconnected up to 20mph. I'm always hitting 16mph on FS roads.)

Tazer fixes the sway bar issue

 

[Red Willy]

Have any of you regeared?
Very seriously contemplating it in the future, but with keeping the 32" tires on the Willy's.
I've read that some people have seen an improvement in mileage and power.
The Willy's has 3.45, and I'm leaning towards 4.10s.
Probably well into the future after I'm more into the mileage on the Jeep and nearing warranty end or something.

I just regeared from 3.45 to 4.10 with my Willys manual. (33" Rubi take offs) Made a world of difference in drivability and the mileage is just about the same. One thing though, I am hitting the rev limiter much more as I tend to drive a little hotter now because it's so much more fun. If I drive it the way I did with 3.45s, the mileage is actually a little better as I can use 6th now.

 

[DanW]

I think the manual is smooth and comfortable. I don't any of the trouble other people on here complain about. I did buy (and drive 700 miles home with) my Jeep with the 4.88 gears. On stock tires, 1st gear is a little short but not bad. And those shorter gears made driving the Jeep hella fun. If I could piece it together myself, I'd say 4.56s would be the sweet spot for the mt and stock tires. But I wouldn't hesitate recommending grabbing the 4.88s if you're ordering new.

I'm running 37s but I'd say 35s are the sweet spot for the 4.88s.

I'm running 4.56 with 35's and absolutely love it. I feel 4.88's would get 6th a little high in the rpms for highway cruising, but certainly would be livable. 1st is perfect with 4.56 but again, I think it'd be fine with 4.88's.

I don't think you can go wrong either way, but 4.56 has been just right, for me.

 

[nomographer]

Tazer fixes the sway bar issue

Oh my goodness, perfect timing! I suffered my first dead battery tow and have decided to always disable ESS --- I always used it outbound, but disabled it returning home so things would fully charge --- so this info tells me to go with the tazer instead of the (very capable) start stop only thingy.

 

[Rubi6mt]

I'm running 4.56 with 35's and absolutely love it. I feel 4.88's would get 6th a little high in the rpms for highway cruising, but certainly would be livable. 1st is perfect with 4.56 but again, I think it'd be fine with 4.88's.

I don't think you can go wrong either way, but 4.56 has been just right, for me.

I have 4.88s with my 315/70/17s. Rpms around 2500 at 75mph in 6th.

Chose 4.88s for 2 primary reasons, I can literally idle up rocks offroading is 1st and 4low, secondly when these tires wear out I'm thinking 37s.

 

[Toycrusher]

Oh my goodness, perfect timing! I suffered my first dead battery tow and have decided to always disable ESS --- I always used it outbound, but disabled it returning home so things would fully charge --- so this info tells me to go with the tazer instead of the (very capable) start stop only thingy.

It's silly, but one of my favorite features of the Tazer is being able to play with navigation while driving. Well, that and being able to lock my rear locker in 2wd... There's a certain satisfaction in completing an obstacle in 2wd. I'm still waiting for the Tazer to overide the CAD for 2wd low range

 

[X1inSC]

I have been looking for a shifter like that, easy to install?

Only the adapters and the knobs are installed. https://www.speeddawg.com/jeep-jl-wrangler-2018-newer-manual-shift-knobs-adapters-set/

"Easy to install"??? That depends on you. The instructions are straight forward. I had no issues.

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