Suspension upgrade with minimal to no lift ?

[AnnDee4444]

Ride quality you feel is mostly from the shocks, not the springs.

Just quoting this so everyone can read it again. I've spent far too much time trying to argue this point.

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[BlackGenesis]

I’ve owned a Rubi gladiator and wasn’t overly impressed with the rubicon suspension. What I was asking was I want something BETTER than a rubicon suspension, but I don’t want to do any kind of lift if I can get away with it.

Gladiator also a different frame and weight distribution vehicle.

1.5" spacers and Ranchero 9000 shocks with good 33 tire... not expensive set up and shocks should be more comfortable then OEM.

IF you need more suspension travel get Rubicon springs off marketplace and dont use oem shocks (usually for for $150 for a set). There is no better springs when it come to comfort.

Definitely get longer lower controll arms in the front from mopar.

 

[AnnDee4444]

IF you need more suspension travel get Rubicon springs

Stock Sport springs work with a 26.25" front shock & 27.75 rear shock. https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/the-2dr-sport-only-thread.15647/page-20#post-1040143

There is no better springs when it come to comfort.

WTF...

 

[99superduty]

Simple enough.. MetalCloak adjustable lower front control arms and Fox performance series 2.5 adjustable reservoir shocks...(about $3K for the shocks alone).

the shocks will give you the ability to tune your ride to your preference for HWY driving, loaded carrying situations, and "wheeling". I've had King shocks on my previous JK.. they are nice too but I like the Fox setup now.
You will be able to take out that "hobby horse" ride that you can get when going over slightly bumpy roads. It is a game changer far beyond simply updating the OEM shocks. It will transform the car.

wanted to revive this as I am looking at this Fox setup for a stock '21 JLUR. How are you liking it?

 

[Cyclrder]

I'm loving them. I have persuaded 3 of my friends to buy the new 4xe wranglers.. and even with the extra suppose weight and stiffer shocks.. The Fox setup just kills it. If you are particular on how your jeep drives then it is the only way to go. Unfortunately you have to spend the big bucks for the adjustability. I drive in NYC/Brooklyn so the roads are crap and then out in the country (VT/CT/LI) and the improvement in handling is remarkable. (both loaded and normal) Best of luck.

 

[99superduty]

I'm loving them. I have persuaded 3 of my friends to buy the new 4xe wranglers.. and even with the extra suppose weight and stiffer shocks.. The Fox setup just kills it. If you are particular on how your jeep drives then it is the only way to go. Unfortunately you have to spend the big bucks for the adjustability. I drive in NYC/Brooklyn so the roads are crap and then out in the country (VT/CT/LI) and the improvement in handling is remarkable. (both loaded and normal) Best of luck.

Thanks! Im very particular about it for sure and don't mind spending the money if they deliver.

Unfortunately, it seems like everywhere is out of stock and on national backorder........

 

[Jtphoto]

Just quoting this so everyone can read it again. I've spent far too much time trying to argue this point.

You can’t fix stiff springs with any shock but you can fix soft springs with a MATCHED shock.

 

[roaniecowpony]

I'm loving them. I have persuaded 3 of my friends to buy the new 4xe wranglers.. and even with the extra suppose weight and stiffer shocks.. The Fox setup just kills it. If you are particular on how your jeep drives then it is the only way to go. Unfortunately you have to spend the big bucks for the adjustability. I drive in NYC/Brooklyn so the roads are crap and then out in the country (VT/CT/LI) and the improvement in handling is remarkable. (both loaded and normal) Best of luck.

I was giving some thought to a better shock than the MetalCloak RockSport shocks on my 3.5" MC lift. CarbonSteel has the same suspension as mine and just went to these 2.5" Fox remote reservoir shocks in a longer length and has praised them as well. We'll see how my portfolio does here in the next few months. ? ?

 

[AnnDee4444]

You can’t fix stiff springs with any shock.

I disagree.

And where are these stiff JL springs I keep hearing about? These?

 

[Jtphoto]

I disagree.

And where are these stiff JL springs I keep hearing about? Is this it?

Lots of linear springs out there that are too stiff. Any HD 4dr springs on a 2dr.

 

[AnnDee4444]

Lots of linear springs out there that are too stiff. Any HD 4dr springs on a 2dr.

But the 2-door has a higher front spring rate than the 4-door...

 

[Jtphoto]

But the 2-door has a higher front spring rate than the 4-door...

Guess you just haven’t experienced stiff springs. I have, and there is no shock that can soften a spring that’s already too stiff.
If you put a 4dr spring in a 2dr and get lift, you have put in a higher spring rate, stiffer spring. And yes a 2.dr can have a higher spring rate in the front depending on the option package.

 

[AnnDee4444]

Guess you just haven’t experienced stiff springs.

I recently doubled the spring rate in my other vehicle and increased the ride quality. How? Good dampers. And these aren't race springs either... those would have been 4x the original spring rate.

I doubt any JL spring is twice as stiff as any other JL spring (at ride height), but look forward to being proven wrong.

If you put a 4dr spring in a 2dr and get lift, you have put in a higher spring rate, stiffer spring.

Funny you say that... my first hand experience says otherwise. I currently have JLUR springs on the front of my JLR. Both Jeeps are 2018 2.0 with hardtop. These springs are absolutely softer, yet they lifted the front 1/2". Because free length influences ride height too.

Then there's this post from Rock Krawler, stating "Our spring rates up front are almost identical to that of the stock 2 Door JL. We felt the stock JLU springs up front were too soft and unpredictable"


Jeep likely designing for a comfortable ride frequency at a specific speed. The wheelbase influences ride frequency (time delay in the graph below).

 

[Jtphoto]

But Rock Krawler springs are not Linear nor can you compare their free length to OEM.
OEM spring are designed to keep an average ride height no matter what model, no matter what engine, no matter what option. Once you leave OEM and go to aftermarket that is a whole different ballgame. If you have an OEM spring so soft that they cannot control/hold the weight then you will definitely get a better ride with a stiffer spring. You will see lift from that stiffer spring because the old springs are likely sagged out and no longer at factory height. This happened with my OEM XR springs. 2.5” lift springs gave me 2.25” lift over what were supposed to be 1.5” Mopar lift springs.

I personally talked to a tech at Rock Krawler inquiring about using their diesel or Hemi spec front springs in my XR 3.6 e-Torque because of my heavy bumper/winch combo and he suggested their higher spring rate would be too harsh and suggested rather to go with an inch taller spring and let it compress.

And yes I have had aftermarket springs so stiff that the weight of the vehicle was not enough to fully compress them and shocks would not smooth them out.

 

[AZ Hella]

You should seriously consider the Rubicon takeoff's. I and many others have been more than satisfied with the results. The factory stuff is pretty good. Just keep in mind that spring rates are dictated by the options on the Jeep.
There are huge threads on this subject. You could do Rubicon springs with aftermarket shocks to further improve the ride.

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