Stop me if you heard this before: Sport+ vs Rubi

[Onyx Dragon]

I think this is a bit more informational and accurate than what I have seen thus far:

Watch and learn:

We get it. You don't like the thread.

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[TrailTorque]

We get it. You don't like the thread.

Actually I love this thread, super predictable!

 

[ThirtyOne]

Disagree, somewhat. I'm generally really careful and patient in terms of driving style....metal fatigue on the harder end of the trail spectrum is a big contributor to what you break as well.

I've run this obstacle in various vehicles from full bodied to buggies. Broken 2 axles in there. One was after sliding off a good line into a really bad one; another was simply metal fatigue.

If you wheel rocks long enough, you'll break a front axle...even if it's an upgraded 60.

That's because that obstacle is ridiculous. If you asked me to crawl up on that thing I would shit my pants and tell you to go to hell. Axles would have nothing to do with it.

 

[ViperJon]

When you go to sell (and you will) A Rubicon is a factory built Rubicon. A sport with Rubicon or better upgrades is a Sport. And if you did the upgrades yourself in your garage....great you saved money but very few buyers want a sport some "handyman" built at home on the weekend.

 

[Andrew05LJR]

Unlike what he claims, the Sport is also fine with 35" tires.

Maybe for soft trail riding. The D35 is a turd and Ive seen plenty of D30s break with 35s. But if you're not wheeling then great, stick with a sport, as I said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with one and they're very capable out of the box. Ive wheeled enough to see what works continuously without many breaks and what doesn't. If someone asks for my opinion and is doing any type of wheeling, Im going to suggest a Rubicon. If someones isnt wheeling or doing light overland shit, Ill say a sport or Sahara will do just fine.

 

[Huskywrangler]

Maybe for soft trail riding. The D35 is a turd and Ive seen plenty of D30s break with 35s. But if you're not wheeling then great, stick with a sport, as I said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with one and they're very capable out of the box. Ive wheeled enough to see what works continuously without many breaks and what doesn't. If someone asks for my opinion and is doing any type of wheeling, Im going to suggest a Rubicon. If someones isnt wheeling or doing light overland shit, Ill say a sport or Sahara will do just fine.

You have real life experience with the M200? Curious as to if it’s actually “a turd” or if you are just regurgitating information that is being passed along.

 

[porcusRex]

im mulling something like this myself. order absolute base jeep with hardtop and air conditioning the only options..

upgrade axes to d60s and i want manually locking hubs..

upgrade t-case to atlas..

upgrade shocks..

and various suspension and steering bits.

i would lift it but not much. around where i live mud is what you contend with most on trails not rocks like out west.

im curious what the cost to this (additional parts installed) would be

 

[Onyx Dragon]

You have real life experience with the M200? Curious as to if it’s actually “a turd” or if you are just regurgitating information that is being passed along.

It's the internet. Which do you think it is?

 

[Dogboyslim]

I got the Rubicon for the gearing on the manual and because the order would accept LEDs. I'd have probably gone with the Sahara if the build sheet would have let me add LEDs at the time, but I like the looks and am happy, even though I don't need much of the stuff. It matched my desire/budget intersection though, so that's what I have. I really don't care what anyone else thinks at this point. You shouldn't either. Compare what you want and its cost against your budget, and find your own intersection, then be happy.

 

[brazos]

I bought my first Jeep a couple of months ago, after decades of pushing stock 4wd pickups to their limits, in work and play.
I bought a Sport, with all the options that matter on the ground.
I’m amazed at how much more it can do than any pickup I’ve ever owned.
I love it, and intend to drive it at least until the warranty runs out.
But if I was shopping today, I’d buy a Rubicon.
It’s a fallacy to say it costs $7k more, imo. It costs $7k minus however much of that $7k you get back at trade-in/resale. I’m thinking I’d get most of it back. And I’d have a Rubicon instead of a Sport for 3 years.

 

[cbrenthus]

Didn't read all the posts but the bottom line is if you're going to stay stock(or lightly mod) get the Rubi, but if you're going to mod get the sport. After my JK, I said I would never again lift a DD, but rather just buy a Rubi to start. Well, I almost bought a Sport S, but the 6K extra for the Rubi was justified to me in looks alone with the wheels, tires, and hood (call it $3K value).

 

[Huskywrangler]

The current D30 is not drastically different than the one in the JKs and has never been known for being robust with 35" tires; internet or not.

Wasn’t referring to the D30. I was curious if he had any real experience with the M200.

 

[Huskywrangler]

Sorry....I missed that part of your reply. The D35 (M200) *should* be quite a bit better than the old D35 turds with the c-clip axles WRT the axle sliding out of the housing after the break, but the M200 really isn't drastically different than the D35 it replaces.... If the axle breaks in the splines where they typically break, then the M200 not being c-clip is really only helpful for getting it off the trail. The main failure point is still present, namely a small diameter shaft.

Got ya, my main reason for asking was I contemplating going with 35s and not 33s but I wanted to see if anyone had an actual failure with the m200 with light trails not rocks and 35s.

 

[Huskywrangler]

Sorry....I missed that part of your reply. The D35 (M200) *should* be quite a bit better than the old D35 turds with the c-clip axles WRT the axle sliding out of the housing after the break, but the M200 really isn't drastically different than the D35 it replaces.... If the axle breaks in the splines where they typically break, then the M200 not being c-clip is really only helpful for getting it off the trail. The main failure point is still present, namely a small diameter shaft.

I had stumbled across this and didn’t know how accurate it is.

 

[Andrew05LJR]

You have real life experience with the M200? Curious as to if it’s actually “a turd” or if you are just regurgitating information that is being passed along.

Don’t need real life experience. The facts of the axle are listed and the little changes they made to the axle compared to the JK, you can draw factual conclusions that it’s not robust enough to handle large tires and a good amount of wheeling. You can lie to yourself and claim whatever you’d like. If it works for you, great! There’s nothing wrong with a sport, if said it multiple times. But those axles can’t handle larger tires or Jeep would have put them in the Rubicons as well, just like the larger brakes. And, Rubicon axles have broke with 35s+. These are facts. Not opinion or Internet conspiracy’s

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