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Smart Start/Stop on mine. Best mod $$ I’ve spent. Aside from the annoyance I can not believe that constantly starting/stopping an engine is a good idea longevity wise. Ben a lot of years but I do remember being taught in Auto Mechanics that “most engine wear occurs on start up”. Know this is true on cold starts. Hot starts probably not as severe an issue, but still… the whole “start” cycle has to put extra use on the starting system components. I for one would gladly pay an extra $1k to Mopar to “delete” this wonderful feature and is related electronic gimmickry on a new Jeep😏
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On the 2.0T I have never had it bother me at all. In saying that. I hated it in my Focus RS and it didn't ever work in my Range Rover. Lol.
Gorilla Glass based on experoences here, sucks.
I must be the only person here that's glad I got the Gorilla Glass on my new 22 Rubicon. I was driving down a road being worked on in Idaho a few weeks ago, and three times had a rock bounce off my windshield without any mark on the glass. The last one sounded like a gun going off, it hit so hard. My buddy riding in the front seat thought it had to have left a mark. I'm sold on it.
 

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I wouldn't get it on purpose but I suppose its okay and does seem to be saving gas around here in southeast wisconsin which could also be called "the red light district"
I sure wouldn't have a fit about it being installed and rant and rave about it as I save that for important topics like "why the hell can't we get more pink Jeeps !!!"
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Sometimes there are temporary restrictions. My dealer said I had to order different rims. I’ve also had dealers refuse to order certain colors because they thought it would be hard to sell if I backed out. You can definitely build a V6 with and automatic transmission though, at least in the Rubicon trim, I just did it.
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You can't get a manual transmission in a Sahara in 2023. The only choice is automatic transmission...
 

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ESS is asinine. Whomever came up with this idea should be stoned (rocks, not pot) to death. Do you want to know how I really feel?
 

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1) Sit in drivers seat
2) Start Jeep
3) Press button to turn off ESS
4) Repeat process forever or until you purchase a device that will disable it permanently. I see nothing good about starting and stopping an engine a million freaking times. Goes against logic and common sense.
 

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Still waiting on those "valid reasons" @Rhinebeck01
Do you really think I am going to type it all out here . Forum search, Internet search. As a basic Sport owner as I think you might be you will have fewer concerns then other's.
 

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Curious what everyone’s opinion is on the start/stop function? This will be the first time I will own one and I’ve been wondering if they are bad on the starter and things like that. I really dislike that they have taking some options away from the Jeeps. You can no longer get a 6 cylinder in an automatic and can no longer order the Gorilla glass. I’m just curious what off roading will be like with a 4 cylinder and the start/stop function.
My current Wrangler does not have the start/stop switch. My previous (18 JLUR) did and with time I just turned starting it up and turning the start/stop off into a routine. Pressed the start, moved my hand over pressed the start/stop button, put it in drive and go. Was not that big of a deal to turn it off everytime after I made the 1-2 press a habit lol! Haven't driven the 4 cyl off road, have ridden in them and they perform well IMO.
 

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Do you really think I am going to type it all out here . Forum search, Internet search. As a basic Sport owner as I think you might be you will have fewer concerns then other's.
Well, sir.... since other forum members vouched for your knowledge and expertise in other threads here (when you were asked about your constant sales pitches) I was hoping you would bring something of value to the table that I may have missed while doing a "forum search, internet search".
I like the hood pin/warning light solution. I learned about it right here in this very forum... with a forum search.
 

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ESS - No Likey!

Unless you like the extra wear and tear associated with ESS.......Oil pressure 32psi to 0 psi.......heatsoak......electrical strain......Oil pressure 32psi to 0 psi.......heatsoak.......electrical strain......repeat.
 

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ESS - No Likey!

Unless you like the extra wear and tear associated with ESS.......Oil pressure 32psi to 0 psi.......heatsoak......electrical strain......Oil pressure 32psi to 0 psi.......heatsoak.......electrical strain......repeat.
EXACTLY!!!! Each of your points are matters of actual physics which will never be overcome by computer chips or some play on words in the owners manual telling us its some sort of state of the art design. This is the same vehicle that we are encouraged to make sure all the fuses are seated correctly when we buy new...lol
 

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3.6L with eTorque. Start / stop works great. Haven't turned it off since the day I bought it. When I bought my Jeep, you had to get eTorque with the 3.6. Would buy again.
 

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EXACTLY!!!! Each of your points are matters of actual physics which will never be overcome by computer chips or some play on words in the owners manual telling us its some sort of state of the art design. This is the same vehicle that we are encouraged to make sure all the fuses are seated correctly when we buy new...lol
So, I could get into as much engineering detail as you want about this, but the short version is that modern starters are a lot more durable than those from even 10-15 years ago. There's a lot going into minimizing starter wear - cam/cylinder position sensors, higher-torque (and lower-RPM) motors, solenoid decoupling of the brushes the instant the startup sequence is complete, needle bearings instead of oil bushings. The amperage of the whole system is lower, which minimizes heatsoak... the starter system in your JL (ETorque or no) is rated for 100x the MTBF compared to the starter in a JK. It's going to be one of the last of the major drivetrain components to fail on its own.

The 12V auxiliary battery, however... that's entirely another question, and that's been the source of 95% of the ESS failures on the JL (the remaining 5% are either sensor or fuse related). My recommendation on dealing with that is to replace the stock setup with the Genesis dual-battery kit as soon as feasible.
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