somebody brought up TFL recently- I watched their recent comparison vids going up red cone

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They were comparing Bronco Sasquatch with Jeep Rubicon 4xe and Land Rover Defender. The poor LR on its "street" tires didn't make it very far, but the real comparison was always Jeep vs. Bronco. The Bronco did well enough on its larger tires although their videos of one undulating section appeared that the Jeep articulated better. They all scraped on one big boulder and the Jeep seemed to have an easier time on most of the trail because it was narrower.

I wanted to see them come down the back side of Red cone but they didn't show that, they probably didn't do it.
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Watch the one they just posted today recovering the LR..the Willys sport clears that same challenging obstacle with relative ease
Yes I should have mentioned that one too. The Willys Sport is 2-door. I understand that some obstacles work better with short wheelbase, some work better with long wheelbase. The Willys, despite having better than street tires, will still have less tire and less ground clearance than the Rubicon.
 

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They were comparing Bronco Sasquatch with Jeep Rubicon 4xe and Land Rover Defender. The poor LR on its "street" tires didn't make it very far, but the real comparison was always Jeep vs. Bronco. The Bronco did well enough on its larger tires although their videos of one undulating section appeared that the Jeep articulated better. They all scraped on one big boulder and the Jeep seemed to have an easier time on most of the trail because it was narrower.

I wanted to see them come down the back side of Red cone but they didn't show that, they probably didn't do it.

Tommy's reaction to the second tire was priceless. :LOL:
 
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Tommy's reaction to the second tire was priceless. :LOL:
He did it to himself- he admitted that he "bumped it" a little bit. Knowing the limitations of the vehicle he should have backed up and stacked some rocks.
 

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He did it to himself- he admitted that he "bumped it" a little bit. Knowing the limitations of the vehicle he should have backed up and stacked some rocks.

I know, what's that about expecting different results? Just his lil' temper tantrum was funny as hell. :LOL:
 

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They had been stacking rocks up to that point, mostly for the Land Rover's benefit.

You can spend the entire day stacking enough rocks to build a Roman aqueduct without getting anywhere. At some point we all get tired of stacking rocks, say "F*** it" and just go!
 
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You can spend the entire day stacking enough rocks to build a Roman aqueduct without getting anywhere. At some point we all get tired of stacking rocks, say "F*** it" and just go!
I would be too impatient to stack rocks unless absolutely essential.
Years ago my daughter and I took my wife's WJ into the canyon beneath Gemini Bridges. On the way down we went over a ledge and high-centered on the factory skid plate under the transfer case. As soon as I hit I went to reverse and tried to back up but it wouldn't. So I went back to drive and got it moving forward. As we dropped off the ledge the tow hook under the rear bumper put a scratch in the rock. When we left we stacked up a few rocks at the low side of the ledge and just drove right up it.
 

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The poor LR on its "street" tires didn't make it very far,
Those are actually the tires that come on the 'off road' package. The problem is - with the V6 - you cannot get smaller than 19" wheels because of the brake calipers. These were 20", which leaves no choice except ridiculously low profile sidewalls. They popped the first bead on an aired down tire. When they put the spare on, they pumped the tires back up...and still popped the bead.
They test 'as is' from the factory. LR should know better than to make that wheel/tire combo their 'off road' package.
 
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Those are actually the tires that come on the 'off road' package. The problem is - with the V6 - you cannot get smaller than 19" wheels because of the brake calipers. These were 20", which leaves no choice except ridiculously low profile sidewalls. They popped the first bead on an aired down tire. When they put the spare on, they pumped the tires back up...and still popped the bead.
They test 'as is' from the factory. LR should know better than to make that wheel/tire combo their 'off road' package.
I was guessing brake calipers was the problem.
 

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Those are actually the tires that come on the 'off road' package. The problem is - with the V6 - you cannot get smaller than 19" wheels because of the brake calipers. These were 20", which leaves no choice except ridiculously low profile sidewalls. They popped the first bead on an aired down tire. When they put the spare on, they pumped the tires back up...and still popped the bead.
They test 'as is' from the factory. LR should know better than to make that wheel/tire combo their 'off road' package.
On today’s video where they recover the Defender, Tommy goes off at Land Rover for putting such useless tires on an “off-road” vehicle.

But since the Land Rover dealership had lent them the two recovery wheels and tires, he had to tone down his mumbling.
 
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On today’s video where they recover the Defender, Tommy goes off at Land Rover for putting such useless tires on an “off-road” vehicle.

But since the Land Rover dealership had lent them the two recovery wheels and tires, he had to tone down his mumbling.
I thought he went a bit too far myself. I'm far from a LR fan but it would be diplomatic to not bash the person who is helping you.
 

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I thought he went a bit too far myself. I'm far from a LR fan but it would be diplomatic to not bash the person who is helping you.
No need to say anything about it…it’s self explanatory. Another point…destroying two tires and trashing two RR wheels would be incredibly expensive….
 

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They were comparing Bronco Sasquatch with Jeep Rubicon 4xe and Land Rover Defender. The poor LR on its "street" tires didn't make it very far, but the real comparison was always Jeep vs. Bronco. The Bronco did well enough on its larger tires although their videos of one undulating section appeared that the Jeep articulated better. They all scraped on one big boulder and the Jeep seemed to have an easier time on most of the trail because it was narrower.

I wanted to see them come down the back side of Red cone but they didn't show that, they probably didn't do it.
We did go down the “cone”, just ran out of time to film it. Honestly the most over rated part of the trail imho, no drama to speak of. You’d have to be a lunatic to go down back down the front side on a weekend with about 800,000 side by sides trying to come up.
 
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