Ok. So I will ask this question. Why other AWD vehicles are performing in the snow so much better then our 4WD Auto Wranglers even if both were equipped with the same snow tires?
I'm not sure but the lower center of gravity of a sedan must play a part. If true, add a Subaru's boxer engine with it's lower center of gravity, AWD and you just are more connected to the road, I guess?Ok. So I will ask this question. Why other AWD vehicles are performing in the snow so much better then our 4WD Auto Wranglers even if both were equipped with the same snow tires?
Agreed. You can’t fix stupid. I’ve owned Subarus, compact 4x4 pickups, SUVs, 1500, 2500, and 3500 4x4 trucks, etc. Nothing beats slowing down, knowing your vehicles abilities for the conditions, and running the right tires. On my JL for winter, I run dedicated light truck snow and ice tires. It has made my JL the most fun and most capable snow buggy I’ve ever had. The mud tires I run in non-winter months have no place on snow and ice at below zero temps. I’m always amazed at how some people get overconfident on winter roads and go blazing past me. And then I see them in the ditch a few miles later.As a Jeep and and Audi owner myself, both are very capable of bad weather driving conditions, but get a big dummie behind the wheel and no matter what kind of vehicle it wont save their ass.
They don't. It's all in people's heads. In a car you have less total mass and a lower seating position that makes you feel more secure and stable. Jeeps are tall and awkward. Obviously, you have a much higher rollover risk in a Jeep than in an AWD car, but that only applies in hard cornering, which you aren't doing in the snow, and very off-camber situations...and if you are doing that in the snow, you are also sliding hard.Ok. So I will ask this question. Why other AWD vehicles are performing in the snow so much better then our 4WD Auto Wranglers even if both were equipped with the same snow tires?
I live in Phoenix but grew up in the Midwest with bad winters. We frequently go to the mountain and pine tree areas in NE Arizona where it can snow a lot. It never ceases to amaze me how Phoenicians think that icy roads and falling snow means speed up, or that black snow means the road is clean. Just because you spend most of your life in sunshine doesn’t mean ignore road safety when out of your element.Was dropping my mom off at work early morning today at around 5:30 here on Long Island. It was blinding Snow, Sleet with significant ground accumulations, a biting wind and even worst wind chills. On top of that it is still fully dark out.
I get on the single lane road that goes straight to her work place. The Road is coated in a thick layer of Snow with a very thin layer of Sleet underneath. Speed Limit is 40MPH (65 kmph for my fellow non American or non British Jeepers). I put my JLUR in 4Hi and take it easy going at about 30 to 35MPH (50 to about 55kmph). Besides me, there are some Pickup Trucks who are doing the same speed as me (a Tacoma, a 1500, a Titan and a Jeep Gladiator). Usually we can go about 50MPH on that road (80 kmph).
While I am driving, this little prick in a brand new Audi A4 AWD station wagon is rapidly closing the gap behind me and then starts tail gating in blinding snow! He had the gall to start flickering his beams at me and asking me to speed up. When the road opened up and became a two lane, he cuts me and two Pickup Trucks off while honking his horn. Just near my mom's work place, the douche ends up spinning out of control and is stuck in a snow bank. I drop my mom off and then go back just five minutes later The guy is out there waiting for someone to tow him out.
While I wanted to pull down my window and flip him off, I felt bad and stopped; as did a fella in a JKU Sahara who looked like a gentleman in his early to mid 50s. The JKU Sahara owner had a tow rope on him and the two of us helped get the guy out of the snow bank. It had become obvious to us that the poor soul has no idea how to even hook up a tow rope. So I put helped put the Rope on the Audi while the JKU Sahara owner connected to his Jeep and got him out. The guy looked just extremely embarrassed as he know I am same JLU Rubicon owner he had cut off just some minutes ago. Afterwards I called him out for cutting me off in front of the JKU Sahara owner; who begrudgingly told him that having an AWD in a Luxury German Car does not make you invincible. He told him that if Jeeps and heavier vehicles are taking it easy, he always fails to understand why people in their Audis or BMWs or AWD Nissans think they are God.
Don't know about others but I have also experienced the same. Our fellow Jeepers and many Pickup Truck drivers tend to still take it very easy in the Snow as we know what can happen. It is always that one idiot in a BWM or Mercedes or Audi or Lexus that thinks they are God in the Snow with their computer controlled AWD system. This is despite a Jeep or a Pickup Truck being a lot more capable in inclement weather versus these AWD cars. Wonder when these folks will learn???
Sidenote: The JLU Factory LED Headlamps are an absolute disaster in the Snow as there is significant reflection from the surface. Hope I get used to that over time. Otherwise, I love my Jeep!
AWD?? Posi in the rear and front? I think not... 2wd or 3 at BEST. We all only have 4 brakesThe funny part is that an AWD car is only very slightly more capable than an equivalent FWD car. Really the only difference is that if you get stopped on a hill and need to get started again, the FWD car might be stuck whereas the AWD car should be ok. Out on a snow-covered but plowed road where you can get some speed, there is zero difference between AWD and FWD on the same car. In fact, that AWD system is probably functioning in FWD mode at that point anyway.
My JLU and Tahoe can do in 2WD what those "Audi drivers" think they need AWD to do. Get to where I need 4WD, and that Audi ain't movin.
Shame they insist on learning that the hard way.
I also would have helped out not because of him as person or something. I would have helped him out due to my personal respect for Police, Firefighters and EMTs. Sure there are bad apples out there like this guy. But still my respect for these three in general would have prompted me to help out also.I was in a parking lot at a Supermarket in the middle of Winter. I turned the key and the battery was dead. I must have left my lights on. A police man pulls up and I had the jumper cables already hooked up. All he had to do was pop his hood for about 30 seconds and we would both be on our way. NOPE, He told me he could not give me a jump and began to rattle of some BS. (He didn't know my dad was a Police Chief) and he drove away. The very next day it was snowing like hell. I pulled up to the red light on a hill going to my home and guess who was next to me. The same cop and he spun and slid into the ditch. I just sat and watched him try spin his tires (obviously making it much worse). Being the decent person I am (unlike this Dick), I pulled up in front of his car (facing his front) Got out hooked a chain on his push bar got back in and pulled him clear out into the middle of the street. He got out and immediately recognized me. He was telling me how grateful he was and how sorry he was he couldn't help me last night. I held up my hand flipped him the bird to him to go F*&^ himself and then told him no matter how bad I dislike you, your still a person in distress and I will help every time as I called him a Dick and drove off......