Good point! But I was making a joke about having a large gathering for people who don’t like large gatherings.
Honestly, it wasn't very crowded. Lots of space and room to move. A good number of people were on the trail each day, morning and afternoon. That left plenty of space in all the exhibits.
There are now reports that the soft top stitching may be coming apart or tearing out.
Well ain't that something. I want to be suprised, but I just can't. I don't know who is in charge of this project, but heads need to roll.
While I get where you are coming from I don’t see any reason to be worried. The entire marketing philosophy behind the Jeep is it’s off-roading capability.You know, the demographics may have changed. I presume you mean: fewer real offroad enthusiasts and more people who just want Jeeps for the look and the idea of a Jeep, yeah? I don't know if that's the case, but if it IS the case, I certainly think that's something that offroaders should NOT like to see.
I know, John, lighten up, right? Devil's advocate: Jeep has to make legitimate offroad vehicles, because a high enough percentage of its customer base takes them to hard trails, beats the hell out of them, knows what is really required for offroading, and demands that. Jeep is incentivized to build it.
BUT, if fewer and fewer of us do that, and we reach a threshold where only a tiny minority of people actually take their vehicles to those places and do those things that require a legit offroad machine, Jeep will stop making it. It's just capitalism.
Now, I am not saying we are at that point; quite the contrary: the JL Roob is an upgrade in offroad capability from previous Roobs, as I understand it, and that demonstrates that we are not moving away from offroad focus, yet. Thank God. But IF more and more people only care about the look and the idea of a Jeep, and focus on things like infotainment systems and cushy seats, and fewer and fewer people actually go out and Jeep, then Jeep will stop making real Jeeps.
Every time I see people driving Jeeps and never offroading them, every time I see people talking about Jeeps and not mentioning offroading or only adding it as an afterthought... somewhere inside, I think, "these are the people who ultimately will lead to Jeeps not being Jeeps."
I know; lighten up. You're right. But I'm not wrong.
"You're not wrong, Walter--you're just an a$$hole!"
Love, beer and Jeeps for all. Peace.
Ford is just doing their best to improve Bestop's business. Saw the one that TFL had put on their Bronco, and I have to say it looks WAY better than the Ford offering.
The Bronco hardtop costs $7,000 if you want to buy it afterwards!!!
Agreed! We were shopping a hard top 2-door. But, wife doesn't like it as much, the lead times were insane, and market adjustment is a thing here. The creaking/squeaking/rattling top thing would have made us crazy.
I don’t know. I’ve seen lots of people complain over and over about Bronco’s dismal audio quality, even with the top-of-the-line system.
My two-door Rubicon is <$40k. My two-door Bronco Badlands (equivalent to Rubicon) was >$46k. I didn't want to pay more for the upgraded stereo in the Bronco, which required the "Lux" package, which one of only two options I wanted, stereo and tow package (tow package was constrained, meaning it couldn't be built and the upgraded stereo pushed the built to just under $50k; both options are part of my Rubicon order at $39.8k).
Yep, their speaker placement means either going full-custom, or live with poor audio even with the upgraded B&O system.
How? on the jeep website they start at $40,795 then you have to add the $1,595 for delivery so you're at $42K before you check any boxes.
