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Tahoma

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Hi!
Was driving up to Pinecrest this weekend when I saw a 4 runner spin out and crash into the trees. Made me realize how dangerous mud tires are in the snow. I have 37” Mastercraft MXTs on my ‘19 MOAB.
1) are tire chains necceary?
2) any cons to using them if conditions are snowy and slippery?

much appreciated!

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You should not drive faster than 25 to 30 with chains. These are chains that are properly fit. If you don't know about using them chances are you will not have them fit properly and need to drive even slower. Are you going to be in conditions so bad that you will loose control going 20? I live on a mountain and it gets a little hairy coming down. I have skipped them and opted to hit the ditch gaining traction off road rather than packed snow and ice.
 

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Hi!
Was driving up to Pinecrest this weekend when I saw a 4 runner spin out and crash into the trees. Made me realize how dangerous mud tires are in the snow. I have 37” Mastercraft MXTs on my ‘19 MOAB.
1) are tire chains necceary?
2) any cons to using them if conditions are snowy and slippery?

much appreciated!

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If you’re gong to be in the snow and ice a lot it makes sense to have a dedicated set of studded snow tires. That’s what I’ve done for more than thirty years.

Chains work slightly better under the very worst conditions, but they have speed limitations, they are inconvenient in areas of mixed ice and open pavement, they’re noisy, they can be a PIA to instal and remove, they can damage the Jeep if they are installed incorrectly or break, and they take up space.
 
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When you purchased your JL the dealer made you sign a Tire Chain Disclosure informing you that the use of tire chains will void your warranty.

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However, CHP will require that your vehicle be equipped with “traction tires” and “carry chains” in certain driving conditions. On a 4WD vehicle, they will allow you to drive through on ATs and MTs, and likely ask to see that you “carry chains” in the vehicle.

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A good compromise between FCA and CHP is the use of tire cables. They get the job done and are less destructive.

I ride on M+S tires, and carry in the Jeep a set of tire cables between November and May, just in case I ever run into a check point. I’ve driven in snow for years up and down the west coast; have been stopped by state police a dozen times to check my tires and that I “carry chains.” Never had to put them on; they wave me right through.

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@Tahoma,

Since you are in California, this might be helpful.

I have property in Lake Tahoe and outside of Truckee, both at high elevations and subject to snow conditions during the winters. In all of my 40 years of driving back and forth to the Bay Area I have never had to put on chains. Ever.

The main reason is there are certain conditions where the snow fall is so severe, roads are undrivable and CHP/Caltrans will shut down the roads.

98 percent of the time when roads are open mud and snow tires are ok in lieu of chain requirements. See photo below.

Amazingly, most people have no idea that the average car, with average tires are mud and snow rated. Just look for the M+S symbol/designation on the sidewall. From Ford, GM, Honda, Hyundai to Jeep, Every single car I have had (and I have had dozens) has come with the M+S on the stock tires. Next time you walk by a Honda Accord or Civic bend down and look at the sidewalls. Yep, that M+S means they qualify as snow tires.

Every 4wd or All wheel drive without exception, I have had was equipped with M+S rating and has been fine. Currently we have 4 jeeps and all do very well in the snow.

It is not that I am against snow chains (I do own a few pair and have carried them), however, be aware they they can do damage to your vehicle, must be fitted correctly, can be a challenge to put on/remove in certain conditions and can put you at risk when installing them or removing them due to other drivers behavior around chain up areas.

The best practice is to SLOW down and drive like you are on ice...because you are. If I were to guess, most spin outs are directly related to driving too fast for road conditions (also a ticketable offense).

So that's my .02, you can keep the chains...I mean change. 😜

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Hi!
Was driving up to Pinecrest this weekend when I saw a 4 runner spin out and crash into the trees. Made me realize how dangerous mud tires are in the snow. I have 37” Mastercraft MXTs on my ‘19 MOAB.
1) are tire chains necceary?
2) any cons to using them if conditions are snowy and slippery?

much appreciated!
Yep Mud tires will slip and slide in winter conditions. So is not optimal. At least put on tires that have the 3PMSF symbol on the sidewall if you can. Maybe go smaller and narrower. Consider studs if allowed.

In some cases tire chains are necessary. Especially to help extricate yourself and keep going. Cons are you will need to get down low to make sure the fit is tight and any excess chain links are securely tied off. As well you need to keep speed down as recommended.

Here is what FCA states in the OM. Interestingly Socks are referenced now as well. Clearance is key.

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EDIT: Here is a vid that refers to R3. Just google to get more excellent info and vids for when and how to use chains. Always carry them and know exactly how to properly install them. They are easy once you use them a few times and get the hang of it. Practice at home is always a good idea if unfamiliar. Traction is about as good as you will ever get. As well also carry a couple full length shovels, traction ramps, and recovery gear at all times. We use all of these and saves a tow truck call out.

 
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I just bought some 35" wildpeaks MT01, im worried because they won't do as good as the stock k02s did in the snow, and I should carry chains/cables with me anyways

What brand and where did you buy your cable or chains? Which one is better?

Thanks
 

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