hey man - I'm sorry my post came across as argumentative. I'm not trying to pick an internet fight here, but I was responding to what I would say were inconsistencies in your post. specifically:1. You seem well informed, good on ya
2. Something against Warn? Hardly. I'm from the PNW so that's the home team, and I've worked with them on many endeavors. But you do make me laugh out loud when you say "the fact that it's still sold by 4WP (who owns and sells their Smittybilt branded competitive products) speaks volumes about the quality of their products" You do realize how ridiculous it is to say that just because something is sold by 4WP (or ORW or anyone else who resells) somehow speaks to quality. Hardly. It speaks to the fact that margins are good and it's profitable to resell the brand more than anything else.
3. Dead horse. Carry on with the flogging sir.
How are times changing? If you can't see it, I can't help you.
The tone of your post is fairly argumentative, why is that? Nothing I said was untrue nor is there any bias one way or the other. And I don't work for any of these companies. What I do like to do though is share what I know with fellow enthusiasts. Sharing info is the purpose of any forum.
Have a good rest of your day.
- your post said that you're most interested in comparing product quality and specs and what's best for the consumer. yet you're also talking about how Warn is now owned by Keystone and that's causing heartburn for 4WP and other vendors. what relevance does that have to your point about doing what's best for consumers? just seems like you're trying to take a cheap shot at Warn and talk up Superwinch (a competitor who infringed on Warn's IP - which, as I pointed out, is actually bad for consumers so I'm not sure why you promote them)
- you said that Warn is likely going to start making all their winches in China. that would be new news - do you have a source for that? they have always made the VR there to hit a lower price point, but everything else is made in Oregon. I would say this was something in your post that was factually incorrect (unless you know something I don't).
in any case, like you, I also just want us enthusiasts to share information and have all the facts. it's good to have people like you on the board to share info. cheers