Sahara or Sport S

[jlsahara]

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[PizzaFreak]

No 2 door with Sahara! A complete deal breaker!

 

[SouthLeb]

Before saying no to the LED group please read countless threads about the regret of not getting the LED lights from other members. After market lights are just as expensive and not as good. Holagen lights are dim. The $900 is a no brainer.

I am very tempted on the led lights, but I prefer to get cold package. Also, wondering if safety package is worth it long term.

 

[Titan2727]

Felt the same way Adam but two things steered me (no pun intended) away from LED's.....

1) Wrangler lights, already elevated, (if not balanced with respect to the horizon) can be annoying to other drivers. And as much as previous model Wrangler headlights might have been lame in terms of brightness, LEDs may be to many lumens for other drivers, particularly in non-offroading applications.

2) Like you said, the aftermarket's bound, with time, to come up with cheaper and higher quality alternatives for this anyway.

Thanks.

You can easily adjust led headlights with a simple Philip's head

"Cheaper and higher quality"??!! Come on guy be serious....

Get the LED's they're amazing lights

 

[RussJeep1]

You can easily adjust led headlights with a simple Philip's head

"Cheaper and higher quality"??!! Come on guy be serious....

Get the LED's they're amazing lights

I agree that the LEDs are amazing lights for the driver but perhaps not so much for the other motorists.

I have a feeling that no matter where I point them, motorists will still think they are high beams because of the high lumens.

I don't understand why you have an issue with the aftermarket being able to frequently produce better product at cheaper prices in many Wrangler market spaces than MOPAR.

Maybe ignorance is bliss, maybe because I don't do much rural driving, but the headlights that came standard on my JL seem more than adequate for me. Riding some dirt roads at night: I could definitely see where more lumens would be a plus: maybe even close to necessary.

 

[viper88]

I am very tempted on the led lights, but I prefer to get cold package. Also, wondering if safety package is worth it long term.

Like everything there are pros/cons. I am considering this also. In Chicago the cold weather package is nice. Extra lighting is always nice. The LEDs are great if you drive in rual areas or off road and don't want to bother with extra forward lighting. Someone who has the LEDs said he was considering removing his light bar because the LEDs are so bright and effective. No doubt there are benefits with the safety package. I live in the City and back out of garages here there is lot of cross traffic. Prevent one accident and it pays for itself. I have never owned a vehicle with Active Cruise Control. People either love it of hate it? Are you, at all, considering replacing or upgrading bumpers in the future? Or are you going to be anyplace off road that might damage the bumpers? The safety package bumpers and sensors are expensive to replace. Parts are expensive and body shops have to calibrate everything after replacement. The windshields are pretty fragile and are know to crack easily. Dealers or FCA will want to recalibrate the front camera every time a windshield cracks and is replaced. There is a video showing a JL being stuck because the safety sensors were confused when the JL was parked too close to other cars. Something to consider if you are thinking of the safety package.

 

[Titan2727]

I agree that the LEDs are amazing lights for the driver but perhaps not so much for the other motorists.

I have a feeling that no matter where I point them, motorists will still think they are high beams because of the high lumens.

I don't understand why you have an issue with the aftermarket being able to frequently produce better product at cheaper prices in many Wrangler market spaces than MOPAR.

Maybe ignorance is bliss, maybe because I don't do much rural driving, but the headlights that came standard on my JL seem more than adequate for me. Riding some dirt roads at night: I could definitely see where more lumens would be a plus: maybe even close to necessary.

It's near impossible to make something of high quality cheap. The reason why Mopar is high priced is because it all made of high quality material along with extensive engineering and testing. Aftermarket may seam or look better but, again, in order to get a high quality part you need to use high quality parts to make it not including all the engineering and testing that goes into it. I've owned Jeeps nearly half my life and trust me you buy cheap you get cheap.

I own a Manufacturing business believe me I know what I'm talking about.

 

[Jeepsterfreak]

Do the factory LEDs provide enough heat to melt ice and snow? I’ve read this is sometimes a problem in colder climates.

 

[RussJeep1]

It's near impossible to make something of high quality cheap.

..and when my wife wears high heels she can get ankle cramps....

neither your words nor mine above have anything to do with what I said, which was that the aftermarket can often offer more than MOPAR, cheaper not cheap (your word.)

Often the aftermarket can offer the same or more than MOPAR at less cost, not next to no cost or quality (cheap), especially when price is adjusted for quality.

The reason why Mopar is high priced is because it all made of high quality material along with extensive engineering and testing.

The reason MOPAR accessories are high priced is some people will pay a premium for branded gear. I'm not saying their stuff is bad: some of it I own. I'm saying that often the aftermarket provides the same or greater quality, at equal or less price. Millions of historic and happy dollars spent in this market space backs this. It's just not subject to this nutsy debate.

Still more the aftermarket provides so many pieces of gear in so many Wrangler market spaces that MOPAR doesn't make.

Extensive testing and engineering Armando?...why don't you take a look at Brandon Halon's videos on the drain plugs and MOPAR heavy duty floor mats for the JL. Three revised engineering implementations later and MOPAR isn't even close to getting it right.

Aftermarket may seam or look better but, again, in order to get a high quality part you need to use high quality parts to make it not including all the engineering and testing that goes into it. I've owned Jeeps nearly half my life and trust me you buy cheap you get cheap.

...and you're out in left field again. I bring my rig to the dealer for service and have them use MOPAR parts. But the subject isn't parts and never was, aside from you making it so. We've been taking accessory items.

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I own a Manufacturing business believe me I know what I'm talking about.

It is abundantly clear what you're talking about is not the subject matter here. Therefore your degree of knowledge in a topic space you veered off into the weeds about is irrelevant. (That's me being kind. Factual, not mean would find how your making off topic remarks, and many of the on topic ones you make collect more water than the aforementioned floor mats.)

I DO work in Wrangler product testing. To say that many reputable firms don't test the living daylights out of things: Bestop, LOD Offroad, GPCA, the list is near endless, equal to if not better than MOPAR, who often turns some of these very accessory items out to these specialists to make, is nonsense.

I could sight 1000s of example of superior aftermarket gear to MOPAR, or do you think, just by way of sheer example, MOPARs grab handles (especially adjusting for features and quality) are superior to GPCAs, a better value?

#Readtwicepostonce

#Don'tdrinkandpost

 

[Titan2727]

..and when my wife wears high heels she can get ankle cramps....

neither your words nor mine above have anything to do with what I said, which was that the aftermarket can often offer more than MOPAR, cheaper not cheap (your word.)

Often the aftermarket can offer the same or more than MOPAR at less cost, not next to no cost or quality (cheap), especially when price is adjusted for quality.



The reason MOPAR accessories are high priced is some people will pay a premium for branded gear. I'm not saying their stuff is bad: some of it I own. I'm saying that often the aftermarket provides the same or greater quality, at equal or less price. Millions of historic and happy dollars spent in this market space backs this. It's just not subject to this nutsy debate.

Still more the aftermarket provides so many pieces of gear in so many Wrangler market spaces that MOPAR doesn't make.



...and you're out in left field again. I bring my rig to the dealer for service and have them use MOPAR parts. But the subject isn't parts and never was, aside from you making it so. We've been taking accessory items.

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It is abundantly clear what you're talking about is not the subject matter here. Therefore your degree of knowledge in a topic space you veered off into the weeds about is irrelevant.

I could sight 1000s of example of superior aftermarket gear to MOPAR, or do you think, just by way of sheer example, MOPARs grab handles are superior to GPCAs?

#Readtwicepostonce

#Don'tdrinkandpost

Please stop using such big words, my level of intelligence cant keep up with you.

Your totally right

 

[Shots]

One feature of the Sahara I haven't seen mentioned yet is the gauge cluster. It's a larger digital display that is customizable compared to the smaller screen on the Sport (S).

SPORT Cluster ↓↓↓

SAHARA Cluster ↓↓↓

Also, the 4wd feature that people are talking about isn't a "4 high" selection. That's available on all Wranglers. It's the ability to select between 4H auto and 4H part time (as part of the Selec-Trac 4wd option on Sahara only for roughly $500). The way this works is you have standard 2wd mode with the lever pushed forward. You can then pull it back to 4H Auto. This feature works similar to an AWD in that it will use or disable the front tires as the sensors deem appropriate. You can then shift the lever to the right to select 4H Part Time. This works like a standard 4wd high mode. The final selection is to pull the lever back again, to 4 Low.
Note the addition of the 4H Part Time label (on the right of the shift knob) versus the Rubicon lever shown below it.

NOTE: The Sport will not have the disconect switch. This is a Rubicon feature, but I couldn't find a Sport interior image to show the shifter clearly. The 4wd lever will look the same though.

As for the LED headlights. If they are aimed properly, the intensity (higher lumen) won't affect other drivers. The problem occurs when people increase intensity without adjusting the aim, or use a housing that was intended for a different lamp. The LED headlights have a very crisp cut off line. When aimed as the DOT mandates, the beam doesn't hit other motorists eyes. A lot of the cars with extra bright headlights, that you are blinded by, will have aftermarket bulbs installed in stock housings. A housing designed for a halogen bulb doesn't distribute/focus light the same way as a housing intended for HID, Projector, or LED do. All of them aim a bit differently so the lamp you use is specific to the housing. If it's not in the correct housing you can get unfocused light directed toward on coming motorists, even if the main (focused portion) is aimed where it should be.
So long story short, the LED headlights are fine, and won't blind motorists if properly aimed.

 

[Titan2727]

One feature of the Sahara I haven't seen mentioned yet is the gauge cluster. It's a larger digital display that is customizable compared to the smaller screen on the Sport (S).

SPORT Cluster ↓↓↓

SAHARA Cluster ↓↓↓

Also, the 4wd feature that people are talking about isn't a "4 high" selection. That's available on all Wranglers. It's the ability to select between 4H auto and 4H part time (as part of the Selec-Trac 4wd option on Sahara only for roughly $500). The way this works is you have standard 2wd mode with the lever pushed forward. You can then pull it back to 4H Auto. This feature works similar to an AWD in that it will use or disable the front tires as the sensors deem appropriate. You can then shift the lever to the right to select 4H Part Time. This works like a standard 4wd high mode. The final selection is to pull the lever back again, to 4 Low.
Note the addition of the 4H Part Time label (on the right of the shift knob) versus the Rubicon lever shown below it.

NOTE: The Sport will not have the disconect switch. This is a Rubicon feature, but I couldn't find a Sport interior image to show the shifter clearly. The 4wd lever will look the same though.

As for the LED headlights. If they are aimed properly, the intensity (higher lumen) won't affect other drivers. The problem occurs when people increase intensity without adjusting the aim, or use a housing that was intended for a different lamp. The LED headlights have a very crisp cut off line. When aimed as the DOT mandates, the beam doesn't hit other motorists eyes. A lot of the cars with extra bright headlights, that you are blinded by, will have aftermarket bulbs installed in stock housings. A housing designed for a halogen bulb doesn't distribute/focus light the same way as a housing intended for HID, Projector, or LED do. All of them aim a bit differently so the lamp you use is specific to the housing. If it's not in the correct housing you can get unfocused light directed toward on coming motorists, even if the main (focused portion) is aimed where it should be.
So long story short, the LED headlights are fine, and won't blind motorists if properly aimed.

Couldn't have said it better!

 

[viper88]

A few more differences between a loads Sport S and Sahara. Sahara if you want automatic headlamps, proximity entry, Sky One Touch Power Top. Selec-Trac full-time AWD and the 8.4" Infotainment with NAV, Sirius feature are other big options that are not available with the Sport S.

 

[viper88]

I went with Sahara because I wanted the Infotainment/Alpine and the quieter ride as it has the upgraded laminated windshield and noise canceling technology, Also the Larger Alt and Battery. Also Power windows, Leather is an option as it is on all models, I preferred the cloth. At first I preferred the non painted fenders of the sport and rubi but the painted have grown on me. I did not go with Rubicon and I preferred the Limited Slip option and likely would not need lockers, I also did not want to pay for the Rubicon Tires, Wheels and Lift as I was doing all that aftermarket regardless.

It did help me decide with model as the one I purchased was a lost leader at 14% off MSRP (it was their advertised Loss Leader)

All JL models from base Sport on up have Acoustic Windshields.

 

[viper88]

One feature of the Sahara I haven't seen mentioned yet is the gauge cluster. It's a larger digital display that is customizable compared to the smaller screen on the Sport (S).

SPORT Cluster ↓↓↓

SAHARA Cluster ↓↓↓

Also, the 4wd feature that people are talking about isn't a "4 high" selection. That's available on all Wranglers. It's the ability to select between 4H auto and 4H part time (as part of the Selec-Trac 4wd option on Sahara only for roughly $500). The way this works is you have standard 2wd mode with the lever pushed forward. You can then pull it back to 4H Auto. This feature works similar to an AWD in that it will use or disable the front tires as the sensors deem appropriate. You can then shift the lever to the right to select 4H Part Time. This works like a standard 4wd high mode. The final selection is to pull the lever back again, to 4 Low.
Note the addition of the 4H Part Time label (on the right of the shift knob) versus the Rubicon lever shown below it.

NOTE: The Sport will not have the disconect switch. This is a Rubicon feature, but I couldn't find a Sport interior image to show the shifter clearly. The 4wd lever will look the same though.

As for the LED headlights. If they are aimed properly, the intensity (higher lumen) won't affect other drivers. The problem occurs when people increase intensity without adjusting the aim, or use a housing that was intended for a different lamp. The LED headlights have a very crisp cut off line. When aimed as the DOT mandates, the beam doesn't hit other motorists eyes. A lot of the cars with extra bright headlights, that you are blinded by, will have aftermarket bulbs installed in stock housings. A housing designed for a halogen bulb doesn't distribute/focus light the same way as a housing intended for HID, Projector, or LED do. All of them aim a bit differently so the lamp you use is specific to the housing. If it's not in the correct housing you can get unfocused light directed toward on coming motorists, even if the main (focused portion) is aimed where it should be.
So long story short, the LED headlights are fine, and won't blind motorists if properly aimed.

I might be mistaken but I thought the base Sport / Sport S with the base 5" screen have the old needle gas and temp gauges? I thought the Sport S with the optional 7" screen and Technology Package has the other center gage cluster?

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