I did go back and re-read not only this thread, but two other threads where you go on about how the 2.0l is "just better". That's the reason i've already lost my patience with you. You have had, and continue to have quite a bit of arrogance in your posts.Go back and reread yours and my initial posts in this thread. You came across as strongly against a particular engine. But I'm the fanatical one, right? You claimed that all 4 cylinder engines shake horribly. But I'm the one guilty of making false claims, right? I simply stated that out of many many test drives before ordering mine, I came across rough idlers on both engines. I didn't come across as having 3.6 hatred, like you have against the 2.0.
My point is I think engine choice is a lot less significant as far as reliability. I think the Achilles Heel of the Wrangler is the ESS start-stop system and the 12V Aux battery. Owners are far more likely to be left on the side of the road by a ESS battery/charging issue than probably anything else. Definitely much more probable than any of the engine choices. I agree the 12V aux battery is possibly a lower quality than it should be. I think routine replacement every 3-4 years would head off most issues. I would definitely replace BOTH the main battery and the aux battery at the same time. Replacing both batteries before they go bad should prevent most if not all of the ESS related problems.I believe that! But the batteries are not considered part of the engine, even though it won't function without it. It is a separate system.
Btw, does the 2.0 non-etorque have a similar battery setup to the ESS 3.6?
I think a big part of the issue with ESS is the low quality of OEM batteries. Many fail in 3 years. My cousin's 2018 JK OEM battery failed at 3.25, right after the bumper to bumper warranty expired.
I've had no troubles but did do as you suggest and replaced the original batteries at 3 years. The little one was replaced with a Die Hard AGM and the big one with an Odyssey pure lead AGM. That Odyssey should go for 10 years.
Just wanted to quote this to emphasize. This is something that so many just fail to grasp. When we talk about concerns over the reliability of either engine, it's not the block/pistons/valvetrain/intake we are talking about. It's all the extended components and controls that are packaged with the motor that will fail.My point is I think engine choice is a lot less significant as far as reliability. I think the Achilles Heel of the Wrangler is the ESS start-stop system and the 12V Aux battery. Owners are far more likely to be left on the side of the road by a ESS battery/charging issue than probably anything else.
Just about any modern engine should easily run to 200K miles with regular and proper oil changes and routine service. More than likely the electronics or other engine peripherals will fail before the actual engine long block.
I test drove north of 120 different jeeps, for the sole purpose of repeated direct comparisons of the 2.0 and 3.6 engines.
Yeah I thought that too...but i'm not going to dwell on it cause it's irrelevant. Doesn't matter if he claims to have driven every single JL ever made for "testing purposes"...it's still just one guy's opinion.
Likely yes, however I wouldn't expect it to be CHEAPER to fix. You might save money by it needing less work, but there's no reason to expect parts to be cheaper. Less complexity and "newness" should equate to better reliability...but we really have no way to say with any confidence at this point because the 2.0's have barely hit the 100k mile mark and the 3.6's have all been saddled with eTorque now.Question. Which engine will be cheaper to fix if there are issues? Isn’t the V6 a much more common engine in the U.S. (used on other FCA products as well)? Does that mean more mechanics will be used to it & parts will be cheaper? If it’s less complex, does that mean cheaper to fix?
A 2.0L without eTorque shares the same two 12V battery configuration as the 3.6L without eTorque. And both have ESS based off of the BSG (that's the belt-driven starter/generator rather than the eTorque motor (with high-voltage battery pack).Btw, does the 2.0 non-etorque have a similar battery setup to the ESS 3.6?
Can you please stop the trolling posts its aggravating and wearing. I tried to give you a hint by admitting how dumb I am and that did not work.But no, you chose to stick out your tongue and yell NEENER NEENER NEENER. Better luck next time I guess.
That's the reason i've already lost my patience with you. You have had, and continue to have quite a bit of arrogance in your posts.
Then please take your own advice.Unlike you I don't enjoy re-hashing the same argument over and over when its clear nothing positive will come of it.
No, I'm not filming gold rush episodes over here. Similar equipment and process, minus the sluice boxes and having to break ground to find the pay material. I run a wholesale processing and packaging organic mulch company. I'm one of several franchises spread around northeast US and southeast Canada.No replacement for displacement.
What are you trying to find with the wash plant?
Oh give it up Chris. What a pile of BS. You and Mike came in to this thread attacking anyone daring to question the 2.0. I'm not letting you project your nonsense on to me. I tried to be cordial with you but you are incapable of conceding anything...you just resort to childish outbursts. Remember this all started because I said NVH is an important factor in deciding which engine to buy (and you trolled that comment, in fact). That's it.Can you please stop the trolling posts its aggravating and wearing. I tried to give you a hint by admitting how dumb I am and that did not work.
So now I will be direct. It is a disservice to the forum and irritating to the members here. You can have an opinion. However this backhanded trolling needs to stop. Can you do that as a favor to all of us please?
A couple of local dealers let me have free reign over their fob lock boxes. Only thing that was asked was to not put more than about 20 miles on each jeep. My choice was made from day one, but I was having too much fun. Plus, there's benefits from getting to rack some mileage and time to get acquainted with something before committing to it. How much value can be had from the typical 10 minute drive with a salesman chewing your ear off the whole time.