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Rear End Damage - repairable or total?

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Hope everyone is well. On to some news:

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Most insurances will consider a vehicle a total loss if/when the estimated cost of repairs is more than ~75% of the vehicle's value and/or there are any critical/safety components damaged. (I didn't see if airbags were deployed, this will play part).

A good example are A, B, C pillars, since they cannot be easily repaired with the high strength steal areas and can present lawsuits later with a rollover incident.

A more specific example: Corvette C7's have an aluminum chassis which have designated crumple zones and rigid zones. When/if these areas are damaged, GM manual calls for specific extremely specific ways of repairing them and/or having the entire frame section replaced. Since the cost of labor is extensive and the potential for malfunctions post repairs can not only present additional repair costs (like some mentioned post repairs) but also health/safety hazards, the insurance will be very quick to consider the vehicle a total loss.

In this case, I have not looked into repair manuals for the JL and so cannot be sure of the areas involved in the damage. With that said, it will likely be a total loss as a major component: frame and significant body panels have been damaged, including the floor pan and many minor components will require replacement.

They would not want to provide repair coverage and later be served another bill for subsequent supplemental bills for water leaks, poor body panel fitments, rust, etc. Not to mention, a good repair estimate will likely be over 25K.

IMPORTANT:
Keep in mind, if you were not at fault and the other person's insurance is covering the claim, you need to demand coverage of any aftermarket components whether damaged in the incident or if the vehicle was totaled. Regardless if you have applied coverage in your own policy or not. This will/should be covered since its NOT your policy covering said items. They will more than likely require receipts so be prepared to provide them, be sure to include labor costs. HOWEVER, wait for the vehicle to be declared a total loss BEFORE you bring said aftermarket costs into the reimbursement. Otherwise, if done initially, they may use this information to drive up the cost of the vehicle and in turn, NOT declare the vehicle a total loss. To give you a perspective, I've seen folks receive payment for recent service completed on a totaled vehicle since the incident was not their fault and they were in the process of rebuilding the car.

Additionally, as previously mentioned, if not totaled, get a inspection/clearance from the dealer and pursue diminished value coverage.

Sorry for the long rant.
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Not just upgraded parts, pull everything you can off of it that doesn't look "obviously missing" to an insurance adjuster.

If it's got LED package, pull that too and replace it with Halogen you can grab for free on craigslist.
Never said this advice is for everyone. 🙂

Just think of rape and pillaging these insurance company do to you the moment you buy a car.

If you lived in BC, you know what I’m talking about.

YMMV.
Insurance adjusters arent stupid. They have probably run into and been trained to spot idiotic thieves, like you are suggesting the OP becomes. Your suggestions are illegal, and show lack of moral character.
 
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Now, back to reality. Another member had major frame damage, and front end damage. The insurance company had the mechanics replace all damaged parts, including the frame. It might take a while to accomplish, but don't be surprised if they do a frame swap. I wouldn't settle for a frame repair, especially if they have to cut on it.
 

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Nope. Car insurance is as socialist as it gets here.

I used to live in Ontario. But, BC is the worst. Possibly THE worst across North America. (A simple google search will tell you everything I'm saying is true)

ICBC, which is a privately owned company, has FULL monopoly here.
We don't have a choice here like rest of Canada and the folks down south, where you got plenty to pick from, which promote competition and drive down prices.

It is also mandatory to purchase insurance when you own a car and the prices are outrageous. Paying for car insurance here is like paying for another car loan.

So yes, the rape and pillaging begins as soon as you buy a car, they rear end you, brute force, again and again until you are wring dry.

(Sorry for my language but this needs to be said)
Geez, I had no idea ICBC was so expensive ... but then again they insure everyone and everything.
I used to run trucks out to BC, two a week into Vancouver for about 4 years. Did some analytics on the lane and discovered that at least once every three months we would get hit by a car in Vancouver. There was a particular race of drivers that were 90% responsible for those accidents.

Personally I think it's criminal that decent and good drivers have to pay for the insurance cost of drivers that really should not be allowed to have a driver's licence.
 

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Geez, I had no idea ICBC was so expensive ... but then again they insure everyone and everything.
I used to run trucks out to BC, two a week into Vancouver for about 4 years. Did some analytics on the lane and discovered that at least once every three months we would get hit by a car in Vancouver. There was a particular race of drivers that were 90% responsible for those accidents.

Personally I think it's criminal that decent and good drivers have to pay for the insurance cost of drivers that really should not be allowed to have a driver's licence.
Lol yea, I think I know what you're talking about.
 

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Here’s one that I think was worse than yours and it was repaired by insurance.

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/jl-frame-replacement-process-pics.59148/
Honestly, this was not as bad. Yes, there's frame damage. However, no major body panels need replacement. The OP will require the rear left quarter panel be replaced, the roof, tailgate, along with many miscellaneous components like the glass, brackets, bumper and guards, possibly the floor pan and rear right quarter panel as well. Keep in mind, the labor for replacement of the rear panels is much higher and much more difficult to do correctly since it requires drilling out the spot welds and re-aligning the panels before the new panels are applied and sealed. The car/truck will never be the same again. In this case, its apparent that many of the panels have shifted as well. Something else to note, which we cannot see in the pictures, is the roll bar. If the floor plan has moved and affected the roll bar structure, it's an automatic total loss.
 

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Isn’t that frame hardened steel?
I talked to my frame guy, and although he can and has fixed bends like that, he says that you’re really not supposed to...
 

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Oh my best of luck. I just totaled my Benz last night. Just me and concrete. I’m alright though.
 

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Definitely have it taken to a dealership for a full inspection with the techs and adjuster. They work with jeeps all day so they know what to look for. And I’d fight hard to get that totaled for sure. Make sure they account for a full frame replacement in the estimate instead of trying to straighten it. The frame itself is surprisingly cheap but the labor to swap one out at a dealership is wayyyy expensive. Probably around the 10-15k mark. That aught to up the damage price a bit to get it totaled.
 

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I had something similar happen many years ago. I believe it had 8 hours of unibody frame alignment on top of everything else and it didn't meet the totaled criteria per insurance standards by about $2k. I asked to speak with the wholesale guy at the dealer and asked what he could get for it which was about $4k. That was within around $2k of what I owed so I went that route versus a questionable frame repair. Just another option if the numbers come in low.
 

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We recently got rear ended by someone going appropriately 40 mph while we were sitting at a red light. I am wondering if anyone has gone thru this kind of damage and want to know what you think if they will be able to repair it or is it going to be total.

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A Volvo turned left in front of me at a light. I hit it head on in the right front, and he was at fault. In my 2019 Sahara, no one was hurt. But it bent the frame. It took 3 weeks to determine that it was bent and 4 weeks for the new frame to arrive, $27,000 in damage and no they didn’t total it. More than 2 months down time.
Good luck. I’m glad no one was hurt.
 

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We recently got rear ended by someone going appropriately 40 mph while we were sitting at a red light. I am wondering if anyone has gone thru this kind of damage and want to know what you think if they will be able to repair it or is it going to be total.

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I got rear ended 2 months ago. No frame issues, Went with upgraded real steel bumpers front and back. I know this doesn't fix your frame. The factory bumpers do not provide any assistance for you issue. Just hollow plastic.
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