Really great Bronco features you'd like in the Wrangler

[JamesWyatt]

Exactly, which also ensures they'll get pretty close to asking since you can't negotiate as much on a pre-order.

Many dealers are agreeing to the X Plan Pricing provided Ford allows it on the Bronco. Others are at least agreeing not to exceed MSRP even on the limited-run First Edition. But that wasn’t my point — my point was that it looks like Ford is going to let you order a base model with nothing but the sought-after Rubicon-type off road features. Jeep won’t let you order a base Wrangler then add Rubicon suspension, larger tires, D44 axles, 4:10 gears, 4:1 transfer case, electronic disconnecting sway bars, and nothing else. If (when) Ford offers this, it will give the buyer close-to-Rubicon capability for $10K+ less than a typical Rubicon.

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[den_jku]

Many dealers are agreeing to the X Plan Pricing provided Ford allows it on the Bronco. Others are at least agreeing not to exceed MSRP even on the limited-run First Edition. But that wasn’t my point — my point was that it looks like Ford is going to let you order a base model with nothing but the sought-after Rubicon-type off road features. Jeep won’t let you order a base Wrangler then add Rubicon suspension, larger tires, D44 axles, 4:10 gears, 4:1 transfer case, electronic disconnecting sway bars, and nothing else. If (when) Ford offers this, it will give the buyer close-to-Rubicon capability for $10K+ less than a typical Rubicon.

Sasquatch won't have Sway bar disconnect with base models, also not many people need this feature..

 

[JamesWyatt]

Sasquatch won't have Sway bar disconnect with base models, also not many people need this feature..

Ah, cool, I didn't know that. I guess base model buyers could always add manual disconnect afterward if they really want it.

 

[jeepingib]

https://www.ourismanchryslerdodgeje...NGLER+UNLIMITED+RUBICON+4X4-1C4HJXFN9MW525878

I just don't see the Bronco equipped similarly selling for much cheaper than deals like this. It's not the way most people buy them, but you can get a Rubicon 4 door for less than 40k.

 

[Black Jeep Convertible]

B pillar delete, frameless doors, Independent suspension

 

[sf5211]

We need the HALF DOORS brought back! Love the frameless doors of the Bronco. I think most people agree, the Wrangler just looks plain goofy with full doors on and top off, just hideous to me.

I recently emailed FCA asking about the half doors and reminded them of their misleading advertising of the 2018 JL showing half doors.

They replied to me and said “unfortunately we will not be offering half doors for the JL”. This just makes me sick but what can you do?

Just a guess here but it’s probably because some idiot got hurt, hired a shark lawyer who said your doors didn’t protect my client, sued Jeep, now everyone suffers. I’ve been saying for years, “people ruin things for people “.

 

[RedundanT]

Traded my 2017 F150 3.5 Ecoboost for the JLUR. Wish I had that motor in the Jeep. Or at least twin turbo the 3.6L.

 

[Oilburner]

Why is it so difficult for an aftermarket company to make some half-doors like so many clearly want?


For me, I would like cooled seats

 

[deserteagle56]

Traded my 2017 F150 3.5 Ecoboost for the JLUR. Wish I had that motor in the Jeep. Or at least twin turbo the 3.6L.

Mine is a 2016 3.5 Ecoboost. If I could get that engine in a JLUR I'd be down at the dealership placing an order immediately. As it is, I'll wait to see how the Bronco with the 2.7 Ecoboost pans out because I WILL NOT buy a Jeep 3.6 with the ETorque!

 

[johnnyj]

All the Broncos that will be made for quite a while will be reservation-based, and you will order it exactly how you want it. It will be at least a year or so after production starts before they show up on the lot as available units.

Right now Ford is “listening” to requests for the Sasquatch package (35s, f/r lockers, disconnecting sway bar) to be offered on the base model and with a manual trans. May or may not happen first year, but it will happen. A base model with nothing but most of what makes a Rubicon a Rubicon on it is going to change the market. Many people won’t pay $50K-$65K for Rubicon if you can get a similarly-capable base Bronco for $10-20K less.

I agree. I wouldn't have paid 50-60k for a rubi, either - that's why I looked around to find one for 41, and ended up getting one for 42.

I'm not saying Broncos won't have 4 door models with lockers and disconnects at 42k, I'm saying I highly doubt they will end up being much cheaper than that when the ink is dry on the purchase agreement.

That isn't to say they aren't both great rigs, but in that particular segment (4dr, lockers, discos) I imagine ppl will buy the brand they like best because there probably wont be that much deviation in price. Time will definitely tell, though.

Cheers!

Edit - I had to be sure so I went to check. Looks like Badlands are about 42k for the 2door, 44k for the 4door, so a *little* more but right in that ballpark. What that MSRP actually ends up being when models show up on lot inventory and are subject to various promos, who knows.


What happens with a base model 2 door with nothing but off road amenities will be interesting, but irrelevant to me, because in my particular case if I was purchasing either of these brands the 4 door would be the only one I'd consider for the amount of stuff I haul around/sleeping in the rig.

 

[jeepingib]

Just for reference, a friend of mine just picked up a new 2dr Rubicon in Houston for 36k. Hardtop 8.1 and LED package. So I don't think that pricing is going to be the determining factor that will make someone go with the Bronco.

 

[twisty]

Agreed. I'm still baffled how my '99 4Runner has more interior room than the wife's '18 JLUR , has a lower overall height, yet more frame clearance on much smaller tires and is physically at least 5-10" narrower. New Toyotas are no better....they've gotten bloated as well.

Gone are the days of small, nimble, light production 4x4s in the US it would seem. Sad to see them go frankly. Guess it's becoming more and more evident if you want a hardcore offroad rig, you either have to buy something older and build it, or build something from the ground up.

I have the 5 speed 97 4 runner, I think the reason is seat layout. It's a weird position that has you pretty much sitting on the floor which is why I think it the ground clearance it has. It's pretty impressive and I think about building it up all the time.

The departure angle does suck but the reason it has so much room in the back. I also wish it had the jeeps 3.6. lol

 

[01tj]

The 7 speed with the crawl gear would be great and the availability with the turbo