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Question about Custom Rig on Lot, Rip-off? Can I do this for cheaper?

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to quote the kool-aid man, 'oh, yeah'

I could do that on a rubi and buy tools for less.
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Set aside about $3k and you can duplicate that look. Any 2-2.5” lift will do. If the Jeep dealer did it, they got the Mopar lift at cost. Stock wheels will work with 315/70/17s, go 1.5” spacers instead of 2”. $10k is silly but dealers here do it all the time.
 

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That does seem quite high. Another thing to consider is do you want MTs? An AT might suit you better.

I got 11% below MSRP on a custom order in Elk Grove.

Good luck!
 

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I seem to remember a couple members posting that the mopar 2.5 was on sale for under 2K dealer installed this month.
 

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You should ask which lift kit was used. A cheap spacer lift is $300. A true suspension lift could be thousands of dollars.

The AMP electric running boards go for $1800.

A Superchips calibration (needed because of the larger than OEM tires) will be $260.

A set of 5 of those Toyo M/T in that size is $1800.

I don’t think the IDA extra warranty is worth it unless it lets you take it to any repair shop of your choice. Just prepare to set aside money for maintenance and repairs no matter what since most likely you will be doing things with the Jeep that will eventually cause breakage on stuff that is not covered under warranty.

Wheel spacers are $100 to $200 for the typical ones that the dealer might use. Personally I would avoid wheel spacers and look to get after market wheels that don’t require spacers with those tires.

No mention of a modified spare tire bracket for holding the larger tire? You should visually inspect the space around the spare and whether the rubber bumpers on the tailgate are positioned as expected against true tire.

All told you probably are looking at a minimum of $4500 of aftermarket parts on that vehicle plus whatever is the value of the extended warranty. The wildcard in my estimate is the cost of the lift kit. Don’t know about where you live but hourly rates here in Silicon Valley for automotive work is $150+ so if this was in my neighborhood it could be somewhere between $750 to >$1500 of labor (again the wildcard being the type of lift kit).

Get a copy of the Mulroney (window sticker) and check the VIN to make sure it is a Sahara.

I bought a 2018 Sahara that had a sticker price almost identical to yours. It had by my estimate ~$8000 of after market parts and labor (though I didn’t discount the residual value of the OEM tires and wheels that the dealer kept). The dealer claimed that the total value of the aftermarket parts and labor was $11k. In any case the cost of the parts is not as important as the market value. It’s not like I wanted everything that the dealer put on. In the end we agreed to a price of $42k for a vehicle that had $50.6k MSRP plus $8k of aftermarket value add. Do I think I could ever get a deal like that again? I don’t know. There was a glut of inventory at that dealership and they had miscalculated their demand and were less than stellar in managing their selected range of Wrangler configurations.

Prior to my purchase day, I had been watching the dealers in my area for many months and I noticed this particular vehicle was just not selling. Plus this particular dealer had a lot of stock that just was not moving. I showed up on Dec 29th and made my offer. Didn’t have to haggle at all.

The dealer tried to get me on the back end at a high interest rate through their financing program but I had financing approval letter in hand from my credit union so they offered to beat the interest rate from my credit union. I believe they get a lump sum payment from the bank for securing the loan and therefore they like having that one time cash bump from signing the loan.

Your best bet in getting a great deal is to watch the dealers carefully. Be patient - let time be on your side even if it means watching multiple dealers’ inventories for months.

The dealer has to sell many Jeeps each month. You have to live with this one Jeep for years. An individual salesman sells thousands of vehicles over his or her career. A typical buyer purchases a handful of vehicles in their lifetime. Your best asset is not your negotiation skills but rather patience and research.

If getting the greatest discount off MSRP is your goal, then don’t let your emotions drive the decision - think about what kind of variations you are willing to accept in the final purchased configuration. If you build your own configuration using the Jeep website then you already tip your hand in the dealer’s favor by letting them know that your level of desire is primed for that that particular configuration. If you are flexible with the colors, options and trim levels you are willing to accept, then you and the dealer can come to a win win situation. The nice thing about a Wrangler is that given the amount of aftermarket support, you could take a less than perfect purchased configuration and turn it into something you can be really proud of over time.

Make sure you are truly ready to make a deal and not just waste the dealer’s time window shopping. I think they can smell a non-serious buyer very quickly. You could be a serious buyer but it might not be the day you are willing to sign a contract. I think they can smell that too. If deep in that part of your brain which humans share in common with a lizard, there is the lingering nervousness of “oh my god am I paying too much for this vehicle” I think they can smell that too.

Good luck. In spite of everything I wrote above, a good deal is one you can feel happy about without regret. That is not something the people on this board can determine. It is highly personal and requires a sufficient degree of emotional maturity and self awareness. If a tricked out Rubicon in a very specific limited edition was exactly what I wanted and I had to pay MSRP or higher then it could very well turn out to be the right deal for me because of the joy that it brings. There are people paying some eyebrow raising prices for well preserved Cherokees and specialist Cherokee dealers out there who cater to these customers. This is an enthusiasts’ forum. If it floats your boat, go for it.
 

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Welcome to the forum.

I just got a Mopar lift on my Sahara; my dealer has a special going on for $2,000, parts and labor.

I ordered five 17-inch wheels from Quadratec for $880, and five 35-inch General Grabber ATX tires for $1,500. I should be able to resell my OE wheels and 33-inch KO2s for at least $800.

$2,000 Mopar 2-inch lift; installed
$880 five Quadratec 17-inch wheels
$1,500 five 35-inch General Grabbers
$330 Tazer mini
$190 Amazon knockoff tailgate reinforcement
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$4,900
( $800) OE wheels and 33-inch KO2s
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$4,100

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The dealer does NOT want to remove all that aftermarket equipment from that JL, so he should be willing to negotiate.

If I were in your shoes, I'd aim for 10% off MSRP + $5,000 for all the aftermarket stuff. That would be a fair deal.

Good luck.

PS - if those are 35x12.5 tires, they should not have mounted them on the OE wheels. If they are 285/75R18, you should be fine.
 
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Hey! Yeah I’m thinking of doing just that. These guys seem to mark their stuff so high, that

yup! You got it! Probably not going to buy from them due to the excessive pricing
yeah - they wouldn’t give me a good price. Couple of threads on here I recommend you check out.

The first is the recommended dealer thresd:
https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/forum/threads/recommended-dealers-list.1227/post-1318072

There is a guy - Robert Trachtman at TuttleClick in SoCal that will do 4% under invoice, and then a person in ID and WA who might do a bit more.

And then while in the ordering section checkout this to calculate the below invoice price:

https://www.jlwranglerforums.com/fo...ng-worksheet-for-2021-jl-jlur-wrangler.52566/

I‘ll PM you Robert’s details - he’s a good guy.

You can also think about what you’re looking for - ie if off-roading and why you want a lift then maybe a Rubicon etc

Good luck!
 

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For ~$1500 you can get a really good quality lift, and about the same for 5x35in tires...

Speed/tire calibration usually runs ~$300 at the dealer or you can just get a Tazer JL for the same price and do it yourself (plus a load of other options).

Not sure what the Electric AMP board is, but there are a few different options for adding AUX switches to the JLs including the factory setup for about $300

The last line looks like a warranty item? That will vary by company and coverage, but for $10k you could do a lot more than just the items they've listed.

AMP boards are auto deploying side steps when a door is opened. Waaay overpriced dealer mark up.
 

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Thanks for this! I’m planning on buying a Sahara altitude, and they usually
Come with 17 inch wheels, which I can just keep right? It looks like the wheels are stock here. Sorry if it’s a dumb question, still learning. Just getting into the community.
Rip off. Get a stock Sahara Altitude and get your mods done after market. Will be much cheaper
 
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Thank you everyone for your responses! Gonna look elsewhere and once I buy I’ll make sure to post! Thanks everyone for the feedback and I can’t wait to join the Jeep family
 

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If you aren't interested in the power steps it's a waste of money.

Quick question though, are you going to install the lift and steps on your own? Or would you need a shop to do that for you? Still probably didn't get you to 10k but potentially a lot closer. Whatever your lift cost I bet you'll pay another 1k got install at least. Not sure how much for some steps or rock sliders, maybe 500 bucks.
 

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The power steps are 18-19 hundred uninstalled. There great if you take an elderly person in your Jeep.
 

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Jeep Wrangler JL Question about Custom Rig on Lot, Rip-off? Can I do this for cheaper? OIP


Hey, this was not the salesman was it?

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Hello,

So I’ve been been in the market for a new Wrangler for a few weeks now, and I’ve been quietly lurking in these forums. I have a question, and please forgive me for being a newbie. I went to a dealer today and saw a custom Sahara Unlimited that basically checked every box I was looking for. However, I can’t help but think the added markup is a rip off for the mods they put on this (I’m posting a picture of the custom sticker).

My question, roughly how much would it cost to lift the Jeep with a good quality kit, add 35-12.50-17 tires, and get the thing calibrated on my own? Is this markup a huge ripoff? They’re asking for 57,000 for this rig.

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In my Experience that is a standard package price, but it is double the cost of what you could do it for yourself.
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