Poll: what are you most concerned about?

What are you most concerned about?

  • Catching the COVID-19 virus.

  • The short and long-term impact of our government's actions.


Results are only viewable after voting.

jayvis

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2019
Messages
229
Reaction score
273
Location
Iowa
Vehicle(s)
2019 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon
Canadian here, not Democratic, not Republican so I don't care about your politics or who gets elected in November. Fact: You deserve better leadership ;( What the world sees is a group of people leading the US who are time and again reporting false news and costing countless lives.

Ontario just shut down all non-essential services, likely the rest of Canada will follow as other countries have done. This is going to get really bad, and not just old people. 100's of thousands will die. Read the scientist's reports, only go to trusted sites for information https://www.cdc.gov/ - not Fox News You only have to look at Italy, and now Spain, to see what will happen in US hot spots shortly (2-3 weeks out). They are literally letting people over 80 die because of a lack of hospital resources.

Do your part - stay home! only go outside for basic supplies. Don't hoard! This only blows over if everyone is committed, or eventually forced to comply which will likely upset a large part of the US, but may become necessary.

note: If for some misguided reason your worry is the US economy, vs. others' lives, yes it will be decimated but has the strength to bounce back.
We respect your opinion, but you should be concerned about your own country and leave your opinions about our administration with your comrades. Many of us don't have a very nice opinion about your leadership either, but we'll keep that to ourselves at this time.:flag:



Advertisement



 

jayvis

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2019
Messages
229
Reaction score
273
Location
Iowa
Vehicle(s)
2019 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon
I got to thinking that right now might be a great time for infrastructure. It’s quicker, safer and far more cost effective to rehabilitate an Interstate when there’s little to no traffic. It’s much easier to lay fiber optic when businesses are closed and there’s less worry of disruption. Bridges, sewers, utility, pipeline and a plethora of projects can be done while things are slowed. That will put people to work with a means to stick to social distancing while improving things along the way. What’s the downside to that versus do the least and hope for the most?
That's a novel idea but not anywhere near feasible at this time.
 

viper88

Well-Known Member
First Name
Nick
Joined
Apr 22, 2018
Messages
3,022
Reaction score
2,743
Location
IL
Vehicle(s)
'19 JLR 2.0T
That's a novel idea but not anywhere near feasible at this time.
No kidding. We will be lucky if the government has enough money to fill potholes after this.
 

Riversslivers

Member
First Name
Rivers
Joined
Aug 11, 2019
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Location
Canada
Vehicle(s)
2dr rubicon, Pontiac firebird
Occupation
Lineman/handyman
Canadian here, not Democratic, not Republican so I don't care about your politics or who gets elected in November. Fact: You deserve better leadership ;( What the world sees is a group of people leading the US who are time and again reporting false news and costing countless lives.

Ontario just shut down all non-essential services, likely the rest of Canada will follow as other countries have done. This is going to get really bad, and not just old people. 100's of thousands will die. Read the scientist's reports, only go to trusted sites for information https://www.cdc.gov/ - not Fox News You only have to look at Italy, and now Spain, to see what will happen in US hot spots shortly (2-3 weeks out). They are literally letting people over 80 die because of a lack of hospital resources.

Do your part - stay home! only go outside for basic supplies. Don't hoard! This only blows over if everyone is committed, or eventually forced to comply which will likely upset a large part of the US, but may become necessary.

note: If for some misguided reason your worry is the US economy, vs. others' lives, yes it will be decimated but has the strength to bounce back.
Agreed, IMO a country with the power and history of the US deserves a better leader. There wasn’t anyone running I would’ve been proud to Vote for this past election lol. I feel a lot of us Canadians feel this way regardless of what you think of our own leadership. I think it comes to just different ideals. In general I think Canadians Might value kindness more than our southern counterparts.
Personally, for instance I value kindness and generosity over maybe boldness and sacrifice. Sadly It seems many Canadians such as myself will often be helpful and generous almost to the point of self destruction.
Like free healthcare, if it costs me an extra 5 percent a year in sales taxes to ensure the safety of not only myself, my family, my loved ones, but also homeless bob downtown, the Single mom who’s made some mistakes, and the retired cop with PTSD, I’ll pay it every single time.
 

Shots

Well-Known Member
First Name
Winchell
Joined
Jul 6, 2018
Messages
1,428
Reaction score
1,487
Location
N.E.Ohio
Vehicle(s)
Wrangler Sahara (JLU), Renegade Limited (BU)
....Do your part - stay home! only go outside for basic supplies. Don't hoard! This only blows over if everyone is committed, or eventually forced to comply which will likely upset a large part of the US, but may become necessary....
This is starting to happen. As mentioned before the federal government has left many regulation to the state governments. With that, many of the states have already issued all non-essential businesses closed, and told everyone they must stay home. Some states are calling it by different names (shelter in place, stay home order, or possibly other names), but they all mean the same thing. Don't go out unless you need essential supplies. These orders have been in place already but most were recommendations. Now they requirements because people didn't listen. And all states have reassured their people that those essential stores will be allowed to remain open so there is no need for hoarding. As we've all seen/heard the hoarding is still happening because people panic and/or are selfish.
 

Notorious

Well-Known Member
First Name
Kevin
Joined
Feb 11, 2020
Messages
503
Reaction score
590
Location
North Texas
Vehicle(s)
2000 TJ Sahara
Honest question, the fatality rate or whatever it is called...?
You have been playing... MORTAL KOMBAT!!! :CWL: Fatality!! Scorpion WINS!

For the record, the mortality rate will be much, much smaller than currently reported because the data right now is inaccurate because it does not account for the population of people here who had CoviD19 but were not being tested for it.

And now that everyone and their mother is going in for a test, this will change the population sample size and the mortality number will end up being considerably smaller.
 

jayvis

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 19, 2019
Messages
229
Reaction score
273
Location
Iowa
Vehicle(s)
2019 Wrangler Unlimited Rubicon
Agreed, IMO a country with the power and history of the US deserves a better leader. There wasn’t anyone running I would’ve been proud to Vote for this past election lol. I feel a lot of us Canadians feel this way regardless of what you think of our own leadership. I think it comes to just different ideals. In general I think Canadians Might value kindness more than our southern counterparts.
Personally, for instance I value kindness and generosity over maybe boldness and sacrifice. Sadly It seems many Canadians such as myself will often be helpful and generous almost to the point of self destruction.
Like free healthcare, if it costs me an extra 5 percent a year in sales taxes to ensure the safety of not only myself, my family, my loved ones, but also homeless bob downtown, the Single mom who’s made some mistakes, and the retired cop with PTSD, I’ll pay it every single time.
Not trying to be disrespectful, but your idea of a "better leader" is one of the reasons your country continues to languish as an also-ran on the world stage. Unfortunately, a large portion of our citizens have adopted the Canadian approach of follow the leader while becoming more dependent on the government and not taking responsibility for personal decisions/actions. Trump is far removed from the standard career politician that is typically non-transparent and only says what they think the people of large population centers want to hear. He's not a skilled orator and has been coerced into defensive diatribe even before he was elected by the politically left run media and one world order idealists around the globe. These are only a few of the reasons he was elected. Middle America had grown tired of worthless talk and inaction toward policies that are really important to them. The forgotten portion of this country was fed up with being told what policies are SUPPOSED to be important. This country needed a serious kick in the ass to even be in a position to implement some of the drastic environmental, economic and social policies promoted by by the radical left. Thank God we were moving in the right direction before this virus broke or we'd be in a much more dire state during and after it subsides. I didn't vote for President in the last election, but will emphatically vote for Trump in the next.
:flag:
 

Riversslivers

Member
First Name
Rivers
Joined
Aug 11, 2019
Messages
13
Reaction score
3
Location
Canada
Vehicle(s)
2dr rubicon, Pontiac firebird
Occupation
Lineman/handyman
Not trying to be disrespectful, but your idea of a "better leader" is one of the reasons your country continues to languish as an also-ran on the world stage. Unfortunately, a large portion of our citizens have adopted the Canadian approach of follow the leader while becoming more dependent on the government and not taking responsibility for personal decisions/actions. Trump is far removed from the standard career politician that is typically non-transparent and only says what they think the people of large population centers want to hear. He's not a skilled orator and has been coerced into defensive diatribe even before he was elected by the politically left run media and one world order idealists around the globe. These are only a few of the reasons he was elected. Middle America had grown tired of worthless talk and inaction toward policies that are really important to them. The forgotten portion of this country was fed up with being told what policies are SUPPOSED to be important. This country needed a serious kick in the ass to even be in a position to implement some of the drastic environmental, economic and social policies promoted by by the radical left. Thank God we were moving in the right direction before this virus broke or we'd be in a much more dire state during and after it subsides. I didn't vote for President in the last election, but will emphatically vote for Trump in the next.
:flag:
Thats actually the mentality Im talking about. I guess what I meant was, the definition of a "good leader" is largely subjective and dependant on local culture. We just have different definitions which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled happiness. I blatantly don't care about my countries status on the world stage, and I don't believe my life is more important due to where I was born, so I vote accordingly.

Tbh, regardless of what he has done for the countries economy, Id be embarrassed to be represented by trump just because of a difference in core values. Our current leader is mocked and has made many decisions I don't fully agree with, but in the end, I feel we share core values.

I hope whoever gets in satisfies you in the end, your family benefits by whoever wins, and more than anything yall stay safe during this pandemic. Things are crazy rn.

However maybe if we were a world leader there would be a Canadian Flag lol.

♥:muscle:
 

Avar928

Well-Known Member
First Name
Michael
Joined
Dec 25, 2018
Messages
200
Reaction score
162
Location
DMV
Vehicle(s)
2018 JLU Sport S Granite
Personally going to be very pissed off if I start seeing hoards of trashed food and supplies in dumpsters or people's trash bins. Who has more than one refrigerator or freezer in their home?

We have two fridges and a full size freezer (game meat and hunting mainly elk and boar) but I can't imagine filling all that up with some of the stuff I've seen people buy and I honestly think we're one of the exceptions having the appliances we have.
 

Shots

Well-Known Member
First Name
Winchell
Joined
Jul 6, 2018
Messages
1,428
Reaction score
1,487
Location
N.E.Ohio
Vehicle(s)
Wrangler Sahara (JLU), Renegade Limited (BU)
..... I guess what I meant was, the definition of a "good leader" is largely subjective and dependant on local culture. We just have different definitions which is totally fine. Everyone is entitled happiness. .....

However maybe if we were a world leader there would be a Canadian Flag lol.

♥:muscle:
I got you brother
%2Ffiles%2Fpublic%2Fresize%2Fstyles%2Fpanopoly_image_thumbnail%2Fpublic%2Fcanadian-flag-sm-50x25.png

On another forum I was on they had a little face saluting the CA flag just like the one with a US flag. I'm surprised that isn't an available option on this forum. Disappointing, I thought we were more open minded than that.


As for leadership. You're absolutely right, everyone has a different opinion on what a good leader is and how that leader acts. Just because someone may not agree with our opinion doesn't mean either person is wrong.

You're absolutely right. We're all entitled to happiness. Unfortunately some people think that happiness should be given to them, not something they should work for. Some also think that everyone should be happy with the same things.
To be crystal clear I'm not talking about, or implying anyone here. This is a general observation about the world at large.
 

viper88

Well-Known Member
First Name
Nick
Joined
Apr 22, 2018
Messages
3,022
Reaction score
2,743
Location
IL
Vehicle(s)
'19 JLR 2.0T
Have not driven my JLR for almost 9 days because we have been doing a "shelter in home" due to covid19. Needed to shop and drop off supplies and groceries to a few seniors who can't get out. I decided to drive the Wrangler because I wanted to charge the battery. I totally forgot how much I love driving it. I really miss driving it. Just as exciting as the first day I took it home from the dealer. It was like buying it all over again! What a great feeling considering the circumstances…No traffic anywhere either. Parts of Chicago are like a ghost town. Kind of weird and creepy in a way. Positive cases are starting to rise now as more testing is done. Hope the tide turns soon. Stay safe everyone.
 

four low

Well-Known Member
Joined
Feb 1, 2017
Messages
1,527
Reaction score
1,407
Location
central New York
Vehicle(s)
2018 JL
Why was Panic Buying and Hoarding allowed to happen ? One way to "Flatten the Curve" of Hoarding is to limit quantities , most stores even have a " we reserve the right to limit quantities" sign. It's a " Monkey See, Monkey Do" mentality, "O look, people are cleaning out the stores, we better get ours "
Leadership at this basic level could have stopped a lot of the panic and waste, why wasn't it done ?
Also, people are fleeing the densely populated areas, renting, moving to their second homes, and stripping the shelves bare in the rural areas. There are neither the hospitals, or medical supplies in these "sanctuaries " to handle the disease they undoubtedly are bringing with them.
History will not look kindly on the handling of this Pandemic, we had clear lessons from the past, and, as usual, " We have Met the Enemy, and He is US "
 

viper88

Well-Known Member
First Name
Nick
Joined
Apr 22, 2018
Messages
3,022
Reaction score
2,743
Location
IL
Vehicle(s)
'19 JLR 2.0T
Why was Panic Buying and Hoarding allowed to happen ? One way to "Flatten the Curve" of Hoarding is to limit quantities , most stores even have a " we reserve the right to limit quantities" sign. It's a " Monkey See, Monkey Do" mentality, "O look, people are cleaning out the stores, we better get ours "
Leadership at this basic level could have stopped a lot of the panic and waste, why wasn't it done ?
Also, people are fleeing the densely populated areas, renting, moving to their second homes, and stripping the shelves bare in the rural areas. There are neither the hospitals, or medical supplies in these "sanctuaries " to handle the disease they undoubtedly are bringing with them.
History will not look kindly on the handling of this Pandemic, we had clear lessons from the past, and, as usual, " We have Met the Enemy, and He is US "
Maybe it depends on the demographics and population. Some stores and markets have a hard time keeping up with inventory because there are so many people living in a concentrated area. In Chicago, stores like Costco started limiting items and have a no-refund policy on items like toilet paper, water, sanitizer, etc. Chicago stores still have inventory shortages. My friends in the suburbs report inventory is back in their stores. The exceptions are hand sanitizer, Lysol, face mask. We have not seen those items in any stores for a while.
 
Last edited:

BrntWS6

Well-Known Member
Joined
Dec 19, 2018
Messages
845
Reaction score
774
Location
Land of the FOID
Vehicle(s)
2019 JLUS, 2002 WS6
I have not been doing my part. The wife and I did not practice social distancing last night....or the night before.
 

Shots

Well-Known Member
First Name
Winchell
Joined
Jul 6, 2018
Messages
1,428
Reaction score
1,487
Location
N.E.Ohio
Vehicle(s)
Wrangler Sahara (JLU), Renegade Limited (BU)
Why was Panic Buying and Hoarding allowed to happen ? One way to "Flatten the Curve" of Hoarding is to limit quantities , most stores even have a " we reserve the right to limit quantities" sign. .....
Two words: Free market.
It's the same reason the manufacturer of the EpiPen can charge $400 for it, when you used to be able to get it for $100 about 2 years ago. They are free to charge what the market will bear and sell as much/little of a product as they choose. This applies to retail locations as well. They can choose to sell 1 item per person, or the entire pallet of that item to 1 person. They are free of government regulations to make that choice because we're not communists or socialists.
That said, there comes a point when some stuff should probably be regulated. The debate has always been where that point is. I think after the initial wave of panic and the stores made their fortunes, they realized they were not helping their communities. Heck, maybe some of them didn't see it coming. Many stores have SELF implemented limits on items now. This is not the government's job. This is a moral choice the owners of the stores should make, and a moral choice the greedy hoarders should make as well.
Is it right? Maybe, maybe not but it's the way our economy is set up. So to answer the question of "why" it was "allowed" to happen. Because it's not the governments job to decide how much stuff a store can sell to each person, nor does it have the authority to do so.
 

                           
























































Top